The Swedish Number – Talk with a Random Swede
273 points by iriche 9 years ago | 204 comments- nadu 9 years agoCarl from Sweden who actually received calls, recollects his experience here - https://medium.com/@carlheath/stories-from-the-swedish-numbe...
- jamesblonde 9 years agoLike nearly all other Swedes, you can google 'carl heath' and find a page with his phone number, home address, birthday, and a button 'send him flowers': http://personer.eniro.se/resultat/Carl+Heath
- alekseypo 9 years agohaha yes! I used interflora
- jamesblonde 9 years agoOops, just found out he's a colleague :)
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- exabrial 9 years agoAnyone try this yet? I've always wondered what Swedes think about IKEA in America...
- nxcho 9 years agoAs a Swede currently living in California who also has visited IKEA in several different countries I can report that the general experience of visiting IKEA is pretty much as stressful and disorienting here as in Sweden. There are some local variations in the product portfolio both due to different standards like in bed sizes and kitchen and cultural differences. You cannot find a cheese slicer in my nearest IKEA and they have icing on their cinnamon buns (almost blasphemy).
To be honest, IKEA is a Swedish company by brand only. The products are sourced from wherever it is cheapest to manufacture right now and the ownership structure is so complex, multinational and tax-avoidance schemy that probably only the head honcho Ingvar Kamprad (IK in IKEA) who until recently resided in Switzerland, knows where the profit ends up.
(edit: got Ingvar Kamprads name wrong first time around)
- trentmb 9 years ago> experience of visiting IKEA is pretty much as stressful and disorienting here as in Sweden
Weird- I visited an IKEA with four friends and it felt much like a theme park. There was a cafeteria and everything.
Granted, our 5th friend--whiskey--was there too.
- smnrchrds 9 years agoIf you visited there with 4 friends, wouldn't you be the 5th friend?
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- walkingolof 9 years agoIngvar Kamprad now moved home to Sweden, probably to spend his last year. All other still apply.
- nxcho 9 years agoThanks. I have edited my post :)
- nxcho 9 years ago
- m_mueller 9 years agoJust some anecdote on Kamprad: Switzerland was also the first country for IKEA to expand into and we now have some of the largest stores. I suspect it had to do with Kamprad's early interest in the country, and possibly because it was a good test market for them. Most Swiss have heard some of stories about him - e.g. him driving an old Volvo, using and washing up plastic dishes and also that he often visited the first Ikea in Switzerland (Spreitenbach) in order to see how things go and optimise the strategy.
For me it has always been impressive how streamlined an Ikea is towards maximising revenue. I'm one of these people who tends to analyse my surroundings constantly for possible optimizations - yet in Ikea I couldn't come up with even one improvement that would make it better for the company. This alone is actually rather refreshing for me, finally a place where I can switch off my brain and just indulge in a bit of consumption!
- Dutchie 9 years agoThe Swedes are using cheese slicers too? I always thought the Dutch were the only people in the world to use cheese slicers.
- nissehulth 9 years agoYes, but it was invented by a Norwegian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Bj%C3%B8rklund
- tricolon 9 years agoFinn here. How else are you supposed to slice cheese?
- alistairSH 9 years agoHuh. I've had a cheese slicer at home forever (Scottish-American).
It mostly gets used at dinner parties, when we buy nicer cheeses; inexpensive cheese is almost all pre-sliced in the US. Same holds true for my parents.
- durandal1 9 years agoAnd for the record: The cheese slicers sold at IKEA are horrible, slicing way too thick slices.
- jon-wood 9 years agoI've always had one in England but most people who encounter it have no idea what it's for, so they're not exactly common place.
- groby_b 9 years agoDude, the Germans love cheese slicers. (Granted, the cheese we slice is mostly Dutch. But still :)
- mercurial 9 years agoDanes do too.
- nissehulth 9 years ago
- kalleboo 9 years ago> You cannot find a cheese slicer in my nearest IKEA
Hmm, they sell them at the one closest to me (in Japan) [Yes I'm a Swede)
- TrevorJ 9 years agoIs the aesthetic and design Swedish, or is that mostly a myth as well?
- nxcho 9 years agoTheir main design office is in Sweden and most designers are Swedish. Sometimes they collaborate with 'star' designers and they have been accused of plagiarism quite a few times.
- nxcho 9 years ago
- hendler 9 years agoThe food seems the most Swedish.
- trentmb 9 years ago
- michaelchisari 9 years agoI dated a Swedish woman, and she would go to Ikea whenever she felt homesick. She would sometimes run into other Swedes there.
- bjourne 9 years agoIKEA is owned by former Nazi and famous tax evader Ingvar Kamprad. IKEA is actually a Dutch non-profit(!) foundation. It's part of a very intricate scheme to minimize the tax burden of the owners. IMHO, Kamprad has been exploiting Sweden's good will abroad (and maybe reputation for quality?) but he doesn't give a whole lot back. They do sell good and cheap furniture though. :)
- kpil 9 years agoHe wasn't exactly the only teenager that were swept away by the rather popular national socialistic party at the time before the war. Germany was an important cultural influence and they sort of bootstrapped the economy, etc. There are publicly available lists for anyone that is interested. The researcher Tobias Hübinette seems to be focusing on issues related to Sweden, "whiteness" and race. http://www.tobiashubinette.se/
Regarding the trusts... I think that at the time (1970) and heavily socialist influenced era, it was more or less the only option to secure a privately owned and growing company from the tax man. The taxes were absurd at the time and small privately owned companies were very vulnerably to death-by-tax, especially if the owner died unexpectedly.
When the trusts are set up and the ownership is moved, there is not that much you can do about that actually, and the trusts can control to some degree how much tax the corporations pay as the trusts can charge royalties and set rates to minimize the earnings in the corporations that are "IKEA". Kamprad is probably a board member of all the important trusts, but the trusts are limited by their charter though, so there are limits to the control. It's true that they can't just give money away, at least without a courts ruling.
But still. IKEA have done a lot for the Swedish economy, there is still plenty of production in Sweden (as in Poland, or any cheap place in the world), and a lot of designers and engineers are employed in Sweden.
- cloudjacker 9 years agoThe main takeaway here being that you can take advantage of the political climate for a century to win the game of life.
- kpil 9 years ago
- johansch 9 years agoFrom this Swede's point of view, IKEA is primarily a global distributor of fresh Lingonberry jam. (I hear they also sell furniture.)
(Seriously, I don't get why lingonberries don't get a wider, eh, distribution. It's brilliant in so many things. My favorite is just tossing lingonberry jam into cream-based sauces.)
- exabrial 9 years agoOk, I'm not sure why I was downvoted for a simple question, but thanks HN! Way to encourage open discussion.
- ghurtado 9 years agoI upvoted you on both your comments because of the unfairness of downvotes without explanation. I can find nothing wrong with your comment.
- tomcam 9 years agoDitto. I hate when that happens, so upvoted as well
- tomcam 9 years ago
- striking 9 years agoWelcome to Hacker News! You'll receive stray downvotes sometimes, but usually it gets undone pretty quickly.
- ghurtado 9 years ago
- kalleboo 9 years agoSwedes, as citiens of a kinda small and inherently insignificant county kinda fetishise any foreign recognition. I think that's why we like IKEA and H&M.
There's an old but good show that discusses the subject of our self-image pretty accurately (dunno if there are any english subtitles available) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4-V8_r0y-o
- TallGuyShort 9 years agoAnd yet you're the home of Roxette, Abba, Ace of Base, and more than a few others in my collection...
- SyneRyder 9 years agoAnd Max Martin, the Swedish songwriter behind most of the international superstars of the last decade or two. Liked a song by Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Pink or Britney Spears? Good chance it was actually a Max Martin song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin
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- lutorm 9 years agoAfter moving to Hawaii, I've discovered that IKEA products are largely not appropriate for tropical climates -- all the fiberboard stuff has gotten severe mold infestations.
In CA, I loved going to IKEA to stock up on some swedish foods they have. I was very sad when they stopped carrying the foam cars, now it's mostly IKEA-branded stuff...
- johansch 9 years agoThose wonderful things are called Bilar:
http://www.cloetta.se/ahlgrensbilar
"... sold since 1953 and marketed as "the world's most sold car" (which is possibly technically correct, by number of cars)."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GWDqdnE2yk
"Det finns bara ett sätt att stoppa den - i munnen!"
- johansch 9 years ago
- vhab 9 years agoThe offerings in IKEA are a bit larger in Sweden, other things that can be bought* here: Apartments[0]
* Company owned by Ikea and buyers are selected with a lottery system held at an Ikea location
- nissehulth 9 years agoThey probably just think it is fair that the joy of furniture assembly is shared with Americans. :)
- ape4 9 years agoAsk a random Swede.
- BurningFrog 9 years agoIKEA is much the same the world over.
Sadly, the Swedish food they sell has deteriorated last few years. I can no longer recommend people to buy it.
- rosege 9 years agothe horse-meat balls arent what they used to be?
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- nodesocket 9 years agoHej Hej! I spent 4 months (in the dead of winter) consulting in Stockholm Sweden and it has a special place in my heart. I meet some great people... Some from just posting in reddit /stockholm.
Highly recommend visiting, if you can, go during June (end) for midsummer. I was there Dec - March, it was damn cold.
- mengyalan 9 years agoAhh the new SaaS(Swede as a Service).
- trondeh80 9 years agoI am from Norway, and decided to call. Ended up talking 30 mins with an extremely nice lady in the south of sweden. 10/10 would recommend - Swedes are awesome
- raitom 9 years agoCan't wait to see what /b/ will do with that.
- lukas099 9 years agoThere were actually postings on 4chan's /pol/ about this. Mostly anons asking Swedes what they thought of Muslim refugees raping women in their country (in the rudest way possible) and Swedes politely denying that claim.
Would have been interesting if the anons weren't so hostile; instead it was just aggravating as 4chan always is.
- brobinson 9 years agoFrom what I've heard from actual Swedes, any non-leftist opinion (or one that isn't leftist enough) will quickly result in the media turning on you and labeling you as a racist, Islamophobe, etc. It'd make you a social pariah and probably end your career. It's apparently not even kosher to suggest decreasing the number of immigrants coming in each year.
I wonder what their responses to that question would be if they weren't afraid of being identified (by their voice, information they provided on the call, etc.).
- maus42 9 years agoDo you read Swedish media? I don't say there haven't been a blind spot regarding immigration, but lately the government ministers have acknowledged the current refugee crisis is a problem.
Anyway, portraying the whole immigration issue only in terms of a rightist / leftist divide isn't very truthful. Moderaterna are not exactly a leftist party.
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- jdmoreira 9 years agoI'm not Swedish but I'm living in Sweden. This past weekend, my girlfriend, who is Swedish, wanted to participate in this phone number thing. I told her it was a terrible idea and I had to show her /b/ to convince her.
- distances 9 years agoShame. other people seem to have had lovely connections with the service, like Karl mentioned in another comment: https://medium.com/@carlheath/stories-from-the-swedish-numbe...
- tyurok 9 years ago/b/ is actually educational when it comes to showing people the really bad face of the internet.
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- GBond 9 years agoInteresting but not surprising website. I visited Stockholm for the first time recently and I was impressed with the usage of tech to increase everyday efficiencies. Things like: app for the rail station tickets/yellow cabs/buses, electric/hybrid vehicles commonplace, free wifi in abundance...
- OJFord 9 years agoThis was featured on BBC R1 last week - the presenters calling random Swedes via the number looking for a 'Freida'.. it's as bizarre as it sounds.
- cm3 9 years agoDid people sign up for this or was it involuntarily and anyone, including those who don't want to be bothered, will get calls?
- yincrash 9 years agoPeople sign up. There is also a http://twitter.com/sweden that is also run by citizens who sign up (it rotates every week).
- drakonka 9 years agoNot just citizens! I was fortunate to be asked to tweet as @sweden last year and I've only been living here for a few years.
- yincrash 9 years agoCool! A happy mistake to get corrected.
- yincrash 9 years ago
- BryantD 9 years agoIreland also does that: https://twitter.com/ireland
- cm3 9 years agoHow does that twitter profile switching work technically. Is there actual shadow account support available to Pro Twitter accounts?
- Ambroos 9 years ago"Here you go, the password is bfGeAgwRHU5bwMNd."
Some technical problems don't need technical solutions.
- captn3m0 9 years agotweetdeck (now owned by twitter) officially supports team access to twitter accounts. So you can add someone to the team account and let them tweet using the handle, and revoke the access a week later easily.
However, because tweetdeck isn't available on mobile devices, most of these rotated accounts end up using password sharing.
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- jchendy 9 years agoIt's right on the page:
> WHO ANSWERS WHEN I CALL? Everyone who lives in Sweden is able to register as an ambassador.
- yincrash 9 years ago
- malditojavi 9 years agoWe had a similar initiative but with other purpose here in Brussels after the November terrorist attacks on Paris
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/09...
- Zikes 9 years agoSimilarly, the @Sweden Twitter account is given to a different random Swede every week.
- draugadrotten 9 years agoThe abuse of the @Sweden Twitter account is obvious -- just look at the lebanese immigrant Elias Kreidy who wrote “I’m the immigrant fking your daughter while you’re trying to sleep ignoring her moans calling me ‘daddy'”.
Now imagine this guy answering a phone line as an ambassador for the country!
NSFW article about the tweet: http://www.infowars.com/im-the-immigrant-fking-your-daughter...
- distances 9 years agoThis site seems to be run by a conspiracy theorist [1]. Next time a more reasonable source would probably be in order.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28radio_host%29
- bjourne 9 years agohttp://www.friatider.se/jag-ar-invandraren-som-knullar-din-d...
http://curatorsofsweden.com/curator/elias-kreidy/
Use Google Translate. Obviously English sources for Swedish news is hard to find. It is, afaik, not the first the time @sweden account has been used for trolling by douches.
- bjourne 9 years ago
- andybak 9 years agoGot a link to an article by anyone who doesn't think the moon landings are fake or that the US government was behind 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing?
I've no idea if that article is factual or not but let's not uncritically link to infowars.net, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)#Religi...
- reitanqild 9 years agohttps://mobile.twitter.com/sweden/tweets
Primary source, but I haven't checked what it says.
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- sheraz 9 years agoThere is an American living in Sweden that is answering calls. He's got some interesting perspectives on life in Sweden. Not sure if he is still taking calls or not.
- VLM 9 years agoNobody has mentioned the language issue yet?
Unfortunately what I've seen implies they talk in English. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But my son has been taking French language class in school and this provides the obvious extension to their idea of "talk to a random French-speaking person" or whatever other language someone wants to learn. Something like that probably already exists anyway. I suppose there would be the predictable issues with most foreign language learners being minors.
- ascorbic 9 years agoI've visited Sweden quite a few times and have travelled around quite a bit. I didn't meet a single person who couldn't speak English to some extent. I didn't meet a single person under about 50 who wasn't completely fluent.
- Drup 9 years agoIn practice, all swedes are bilingual english (yes, including young kids).
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- coldcode 9 years agoI can't image the US ever doing this.
- lpbonenfant 9 years agoDo swedes get to opt out of this?
- svantana 9 years agoIt's opt in. In a radio segment the other day they said 6k people have volunteered. Which makes it very much non-random, but still, cute concept.
- roywiggins 9 years agoprobably a good thing, you wouldn't want most of the calls to be answered by people very unhappy to be cold-called by some random foreigner...
- JshWright 9 years agoThe fact that they are volunteers doesn't change the fact that it's random, it just changes the set from which the random values are selected.
- roywiggins 9 years ago
- hartator 9 years agoYou have to actually opt in, as an ambassador.
- Zikes 9 years agoFrom what I can gather from the FAQ, it's entirely opt-in. Swedes sign up to be cultural ambassadors.
- svantana 9 years ago
- sneak 9 years agoReminder: A trumped-up Swedish arrest warrant is the reason that Julian Assange has been trapped for years inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London and denied his right to asylum... all for journalism that made the US government look bad.
Don't travel to Sweden. Don't support the Swedish government in any way. They are cooperating in a large-scale effort to censor the types of things you can read about in the newspaper.
- carlheath 9 years agoWatch the Swedish Prime Minister answer The Swedish Number.
- ioab 9 years agoI can only praise the idea and wish it to be an initiative that others follow. It sure helps connect people around the globe.
- vit05 9 years agoI'm working on an application, submitted to fellowship, that will allow people to confess about something and others will be able to comment on this confession.
This topic makes clear that I need really good, and fast, moderation tools
- tilt_error 9 years agoThe prime minister answering the call :)
- jkot 9 years agoSkype has something similar back in 2005. You could ring random person and have a chat.
I dont understand obsession about Sweden. It is expensive country in decline with high crime. There are better places in Europe.
- JensRantil 9 years agoI'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement. I live in Stockholm. I'm a Swede and grew up here; No, crime is not generally a large problem in Sweden. In reality crime is not a big issue anywhere in Scandinavia. You can find some statistics here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... and here: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...
- stenl 9 years agoWe're in 64th place for crime, just behind UK and Australia and way behind the US (obviously). But Japan is absolutely great if you're looking for low crime rates, and the food is fantastic too.
- fludlight 9 years agoThat index claims that there is less crime in Colombia and Russia than in the US. Also that there is less crime in Azerbaijan than in New Zealand.
- stenl 9 years agoYes, sorry that was a terrible reference; I should have been more careful. But take instead the murder rate from Wikipedia (which gets stats from the UN): Sweden is in place 205 out of 218 countries and no other nordic country is lower except Iceland (and the rate in Iceland is not accurately measurable since they had only a single murder).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
This despite the fact we're in the top ten for gun ownership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_c...
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- jkot 9 years agoCompare Sweden and Denmark. All countries around Sweden have lower crime rate.
- fludlight 9 years ago
- jamesblonde 9 years agoIn decline? Sweden had the highest growth rate in Europe in the last quarter of last higher. Highest population growth rate in the EU. How do you define decline? Or crime for that matter :) Sweden does not have high crime. I'm Irish, living in Sweden. I know high crime.
- tma-1 9 years agoLived there in 2012 for 6 months. What an amazing country, probably the best place in Europe to have a family. Stockholm is one of the most beautiful and safest capitals in the world.
- ntlve 9 years agoAny sources on that?
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- jkot 9 years agoNo, I tried to find some screenshots, but its 11 years ago. Current skype does not have this feature.
- TorKlingberg 9 years agoIt's not the part about Skype that needs sources...
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- clamprecht 9 years agoSwede-roulette
- 7373737373 9 years agoThis reminds me of https://mapc.am/, a browser based variant.
- osfa 9 years agohttps://vimeo.com/162594920 though
- praptak 9 years agoDoes the Swede in question get notified beforehand about the source of the call?
- JensRantil 9 years agoNo. They simply get a call where the caller ID is the "Sweden number". However, they can hang up at any time if getting abuse calls.
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- b123400 9 years agoI wonder how long will it last until it is filled with junk calls
- lvs 9 years agoCisco Web Reputation is blocking this domain for malware.
- kuschku 9 years agoAnother case of malware blocking gone wrong. Well, it’s not malware, but if you don’t trust it, you can probably use the archive.org version of the site.
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- known 9 years agoIngenious; Will also reduce suicides;
- JensRantil 9 years agoLet's clear this up once and for all; That Sweden has a high suicide rate is a rumour and not true. Sweden's suicide rate is below the average of the OECD countries. Feel free to read up on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Sweden
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- return0 9 years agoLow tech chatroulette.
- james-watson 9 years agoSweden is the rape capital of Europe, which is likely what the parent is referring to.
It is probably due to their extreme xenophillic foreign policy, which believes that all people are Swedes in different shapes and forms.
Pathological altruism really is a fascinating mass delusion.
- pepyn 9 years agoAlso quite likely, it is due to the fact that Swedish rape law is quite different from many other countries in 2 aspects that have significant effect on statistics:
a) Every form of sex without consent is classified as rape, including "too drunk/asleep to say no" and sex within a marriage b) Every incident is recorded separately
So if a person is raped 5 times by his/her spouse, this would lead to 5 rapes in the Swedish statistics, as opposed to zero times (b/c within marriage) or 1 time (b/c same offender and victim) in many other places.
- dang 9 years agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11474210 and marked it off-topic.
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- theworstshill 9 years agoWonderful idea. Now I can finally take my lessons on Islam cheaply by phone (calling Sweden is sure cheaper than Saudi Arabia).
Do they have any professional privilege checkers on the line? I might need one of those as well.
- dang 9 years agoWe've banned this account for repeatedly violating the HN guidelines, despite several warnings and requests to stop.
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- TransAm 9 years agoDialed 3 times, twice got an answer in - Arabic. 0.87$ in Skype fees well spent...
- nissehulth 9 years agoOh, a freshly made troll account accompanied by his "friends".
- interfixus 9 years agoWhat exactly do you mean?
- megalodon 9 years agoThe far-right in Sweden have a habit of creating fake accounts in the purpose of spreading racist propaganda.
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- interfixus 9 years agoSweden today is probably the most arabized country in Europe.
- scrollaway 9 years ago... says he who lives in Denmark?
Numbers aside, there's a lot more to cultural changes than merely existing in a country. During my time in Sweden I found people from all over the world in droves. Africa/ME didn't stand out in any way and it seems like anyone who ever talks about this stuff any other way hasn't even stepped foot in Sweden.
Come visit southern france some time to see what an "arabized" region looks like.
- hk__2 9 years agoDo you have some numbers on that?
- interfixus 9 years agoYes, and so do you. Sweden actually does have a statistics bureau. And they do make statistics. They just wrap them up real discreet.
Native swedes are becoming a minority in Malmø, the third largest city in Sweden, and apparently home turf for one of the Brussels bombers.
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- JensRantil 9 years agoYou can be Swedish speaking arabic, too. ;)
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- cel1ne 9 years agoOT: i submitted this 3'days ago, I wonder how this got resubmitted.
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- cel1ne 9 years agoI thought you can't post the same link twice?
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