Next Silicon Valley (list)

39 points by achille 9 years ago | 44 comments
  • phatboyslim 9 years ago
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...

    Cache timeout seems to take a while, so posting the brief synopsis here. The article lists a number of cities (actually locations) with a corresponding news article claiming that particular city/location "The Next Silicon Valley". Locations listed were:

    US: Mississippi, Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado, Jacksonville, San Diego, Detroit, New York, Asheville, Austin, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Chicago, Sacramento, Arkansas, Denver

    Europe: Ireland, Russia, Ukraine, France, Berlin, Prague, Lisbon

    Apac: Beijing, Vietnam, Sydney, Philippines, India, China, Singapore

    Middle East: Israel

    Americas: Mexico, Cuba

    Others: Small Town America

    • ChuckMcM 9 years ago
      Thanks for the cache link, basically its a collection of links to any news article that said "<x> can be the next Silicon Valley".

      I really liked Brad Feld's take on this which was that trying to be the "next" Silicon Valley was a losing proposition, instead just focus on removing barriers for people who want to innovate and you'll get the economic growth you desire. It is amazing how unsettling that is for local governments.

      I talked with a state representative from New Mexico on a flight to Denver who wondered what it would take to make New Mexico the next "Silicon Valley". I asked if they had enforceable non-compete agreements there (which they do), and then asked what it would take to change that. He said it would be really really hard given the commercial interests. And I said, "Well that answers your question, New Mexico will never be the next Silicon Valley." It kind of stunned him when he understood it.

      • st3v3r 9 years ago
        It's a combination of that, and making the place someplace that's welcoming for all. Things like anti-discrimination policies for LGBT persons are a must, as well as having a welcoming community. Having great weather doesn't hurt, either.
      • BookmarkSaver 9 years ago
        Did they just take a random sampling of US locations? Maybe I'm ignorant and close-minded, but I'm really, really struggling to imagine many of those places as a new Silicon Valley. Or even a modest imitation of it. Detroit? Mississippi? Is this real?

        And I'm pretty confident that I'm not being close-minded about how ridiculous Russia or Ukraine becoming "Silicon Valley" is. Closed off, isolationist, adversarial, and regularly sanctioned Russia competing to become a global hub for information technology? It just seems laughable. I'm not saying they are a backwater or something, but Silicon Valley is the way it is largely because of a massive international influx, something that just won't happen in Russia for the foreseeable future. And Ukraine, which was just invaded and lost one of their wealthier regions, has a broken government, and is still in a civil war somehow turning it around? Right.

        • st3v3r 9 years ago
          Detroit I could see, as it was a central hub in the past, and much of that infrastructure still stands. Plus, given the problems they've had, property is really cheap, while still having access to the amenities of a city.
          • BookmarkSaver 9 years ago
            "People" also have to want to live there. And by "people" I mean there has to be at least some sort of general appeal of the location to a large portion of the population. Despite everyone's whining about the government or how obnoxious its residents are, California is a pretty great place to be, and was that way 40 years ago as well. Detroit has a pretty major stigma to overcome, and I doubt it could when there are plenty of other places with similar advantages and no stigma.
        • JPKab 9 years ago
          Arkansas.

          Lol.

          I live in northwest Arkansas, soon to move to Denver due to job, and I once had a guy at a party claim that Bentonville/Rogers/Springdale area was going to be the next Austin. I laughed, and overheard another guy at the party joking about how we were going to be called "Silicon Trailer Park."

          • shostack 9 years ago
            Odd that both Colorado and Denver are listed...
            • duaneb 9 years ago
              Fort Collins and Colorado Springs are both part of a much larger tech corridor across Colorado; however, Denver is a distinct self-sufficient subset.
              • wavefunction 9 years ago
                Though Colorado Springs tends to mostly consist of defense contractors, there are a few startups. My buddy is CTO of Bombbomb (http://bombbomb.com), as an example of one successful firm that's completely local in origin.

                In the Eighties, Colorado Springs (and perhaps the larger corridor) was named "Silicon Mountain" and handled a lot of chip fab. YT Cracker came up out of there, and some other interesting folks.

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              • tobltobs 9 years ago
                France: one of the most bureaucratic (borderline kafkaesque) countries, with surveillance laws which are only trumped by the UK is poised to become the next SV?
                • robjan 9 years ago
                  London already is the tech capital of Europe so it's not giant leap to imagine "France" to gain some ground
              • drzaiusapelord 9 years ago
                >Chicago

                Yeah this isn't happening. We're way too corrupt and taxation heavy for any serious entrepreneurs. Hell, pretty soon Uber and Lyft will be illegal here as the Aldermen just passed a bill to pretty much elimated them via punitive regulation. The tech talent in the midwest immediatly leaves for the coasts, leaving second stringers and die-hards. I can't think of any reason of staying here once you get something off the ground and have basic funding. Even if its a wash economically being this far away from East and West coast tech investors is unpleasant, not to mention the horrible winter and crime epidemic.

                >Russia

                Skolkovo, Russians SV, failed: In 2009, Moscow unveiled an ambitious plan to build a world-class technology incubator. Then corruption, brain drain, and Putin killed it.

                http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/06/the-short-life-and-speed...

              • pseudometa 9 years ago
                Ugg, this is simply a list of cities cited in News Articles as being "The Next Silicon Valley". This isn't actually an article itself.
                • Cheyana 9 years ago
                  I think the motivation behind the list is to point out how this subject seems to be in heavy rotation in the media. EVERY city and EVERY country in the world wants thriving and powerful economic development, and now they all have the means to disrupt with their own tech sector. This is going to be rinsed and repeated all over the world for the next 50 years, nanotech here, space travel there, machine learning, robotics, medicine, you name it.

                  Now it's not like we all weren't competing before, but now it seems the playing field is getting more and more level. Which can mean nothing but good for the average person. Right?

                • wmccullough 9 years ago
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                  • return0 9 years ago
                    Still waiting for that Silicon-Valley-As-A-Service startup.
                    • bsamuels 9 years ago
                      someone might actually be able to make this work

                      start a consulting firm that gives city councils advice on how to attract tech companies and try to become the next silicon valley

                      after typing that out, im still not sure if im being satirical or not

                      • SkyMarshal 9 years ago
                        • st3v3r 9 years ago
                          At least YCombinator still requires location in Silicon Valley, don't they? Until they start going "on tour", I don't think that'd be what the poster was looking for.
                      • jboynyc 9 years ago
                        This kind of inventory is not a new idea. In fact, the "definitive collection of Siliconia on the Web" [1] is nearly twenty years old, though sadly it hasn't been updated in fifteen years.

                        1. http://www.tbtf.com/siliconia.html "Siliconia are appropriations of names beginning with 'Silicon' by areas outside Silicon Valley."

                        • josh-wrale 9 years ago
                          Raleigh-Durham-RTP, NC were missing. Edit: Someone added it.
                          • sixo 9 years ago
                            As are Toronto and Pittsburgh, which I've seen articles about in the last week.
                          • logfromblammo 9 years ago
                            Will Cityfieldlandburgvilletondalepolis, USA, be the next Silicon Valley?

                            No. No, it will not.

                            It almost seems like the site is intended to shame the attention-economy publications and sites into ceasing the continual recycling of the same old article over and over. But I don't think it will work. Those guys have no shame, and the article format for "Is Y the next X?" has been around forever.

                            • cag_ii 9 years ago
                              What exactly does it mean to become the "next Silicon Valley"?

                              It seems to me a boring cliché used to make article headlines from nothing.

                              • Kluny 9 years ago
                                It means that marketing agents from the city in question want some Silicon Valley money and they're trying to get some by imitating it.
                              • empath75 9 years ago
                                Probably not the city that site is hosted in.
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                                  • paavokoya 9 years ago
                                    > Apple co-founder Woz says Ireland could be next Silicon Valley

                                    Seems they're fluffing the Irish government so they keep their hands off Apple's cash..

                                    • Cheyana 9 years ago
                                      Funny. Phoenix is on that list from 2012 and I was reading yet another article about it just yesterday...

                                      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/us/phoenix-focuses-on-rebu...

                                      • beatpanda 9 years ago
                                        The thing that makes Silicon Valley a hotspot for tech is just a boatload of money controlled by people willing to put it into tech.

                                        Literally any city could be "like silicon valley" if a bunch of rich people start a fund and hand out cash to people creating technology companies. Anything else is just window dressing.

                                        • tirrellp 9 years ago
                                          Its always been my opinion that not only are "entries" (funding) a necessary precondition, but also EXITS. Thats the magic momentum of SV; - Hordes of post-exit entrepreneurs funding the next generation of businesses and providing mentorship to the next generation of entrepreneurs. - A good number of capital sources who have had enough successes to keep rolling the dice.
                                          • henrikschroder 9 years ago
                                            Niklas Zennström of Skype founded Atomico, they're not bound to northern europe where they started, but they've been at it for ten years.

                                            The king.com founders started Sweet Capital, which might be headquartered in Stockholm, but they obviously have an office in SV as well.

                                            So even exit money from non-SV companies end up being reinvested in SV, instead of growing more non-SV companies, and that's just hard for other tech hubs to compete with.

                                          • api 9 years ago
                                            Capital really is the big monopoly SV has vs. other places. I wonder if we'll see more geographic diversity as younger investors who are more comfortable with tele-work and tele-socialization get into investing. I feel like the next generation of angels and VCs might be more comfortable with a geographically diverse portfolio since they're more comfortable with actually using the Internet as opposed to just investing in it.
                                            • binarysolo 9 years ago
                                              Don't discount execution though... I kinda see it as the chicken-egg issue -- that any city with a huge group of tech-smart people properly aligned (usual case: money) toward a good goal can make it another SV. Networking effects are huge in the startup scene -- smart people want to hang out with other smart/ambitious people and enjoy nice things and money only helps with that.
                                              • st3v3r 9 years ago
                                                You also have to have people wanting to start businesses in that area. And you can't get that if people aren't free to start their own companies at night, while still maintaining their day job. Far too many of the places on the list still enforce draconian non-competes.
                                              • api 9 years ago
                                                Based on trends I see in funding, jobs, talent, buzz, etc., here's my list. It would be much smaller:

                                                Portland: obvious, though many locals hate it.

                                                San Angeles: it's kind of one city overall, but tech activity is concentrated in: San Diego (downtown area), Irvine/Costa Mesa, Santa Monica, Pasadena, and maybe downtown LA. I live near Irvine now and everyone I talk to says the tech scene has grown a lot and is still growing, and I see evidence of that myself. One of the strengths of this region (other than sheer size and being a few hours by cheap plane ride from SV) is something people like to bash it about: it's one big giant mass of sprawl with either many city centers or none depending on how you look at it. While that's not hot and trendy these days, it also means that this region can grow a lot without catching acute real estate hyperinflation disease. There's just so damn much of it and there are so many town/city governments that nobody can establish a NIMBY monopoly. It's not exactly cheap but it's not "$2M for a starter home" crazy and probably never will be unless you insist on the absolute hippest neighborhood or living within walking distance of a surfing mecca beach. Self-driving cars are going to absolutely revolutionize transit down here and fix the region's commuting problems in the next 5-10 years.

                                                New York: already #2 or #3 depending on how you count it. Could grow a lot because it's just so huge and has tons of money available. Also has great transit to offset the real estate costs-- you don't have to live in Manhattan or the trendiest parts of Brooklyn and you don't have to have one car per person. Commuting from as far away as Connecticut and New Jersey south of the crummy areas is entirely possible.

                                                Boston: Boston really should have been Silicon Valley in the first place-- the reasons why it's not are beyond the scope of this post. (I lived there for a while and could almost write a book.) If these things can be fixed they have more than enough talent and the city itself is very nice.

                                                Some longer-shot wildcards:

                                                Denver: it's cool and has appeal and seems to be drawing a crowd.

                                                Pittsburgh: it's like Boston lite with numerous great schools but less expensive and less stuffy. It lacks many of the cultural problems that keep Boston from being Silicon Valley in spite of Boston's incredible talent pool. Uber and Google have added gravity.

                                                Detroit: being kind of re-settled by an interesting mix of people. Things have happened there before and could happen there again. It's got a "cool factor" to it that other rust belt cities that have fallen on hard times just don't have. If I were 20 years old and in a different life-phase I would definitely consider going there, since escaping the real estate death spiral treadmill would offer a great opportunity to work on longer term "high risk / high payoff" projects. Think of $20k homes as a very light personal version of the DARPA fund for big ideas. (Assuming you have little fear of ghetto, which in my case is true.)

                                                Toronto: close to a very good tech school (Waterloo) and UToronto is not bad either, a very big cool city, and doesn't have the real estate madness of Vancouver. Otherwise the latter might also make the list. (SF/SV can at least survive its real estate madness because it's so prosperous otherwise, but Vancouver doesn't have the muscle to overcome this handicap.)

                                                I do think tech is geographically re-diversifying, so I wouldn't totally count out other places. But those are the ones I'd say have a good shot of developing into true "centers" as opposed to just places with some tech stuff going on.

                                                • jbpetersen 9 years ago
                                                  I was surprised Portland didn't show up on the list. First thing I did after viewing the page was come back here and ctrl-f for it.

                                                  Strongly considering moving there within a year from now.

                                                • mmanfrin 9 years ago
                                                  Could probably add a whole lot more records by searching for 'Silicon Valley of ______'.
                                                  • tmaly 9 years ago
                                                    What was the criteria to make this list?

                                                    I wish Connecticut could do something to get off the opposite list.

                                                    • ScaryRacoon 9 years ago
                                                      "List of cities"....3 states right off the bat. Wat?

                                                      In all seriousness, there won't be just one. Technology centers will continue to grow. Our economy is becoming even more centered around information and technology. If your city isn't positioning itself to attract business and talent, it's gonna be a rough future for you.

                                                      • sscotth 9 years ago
                                                        And 10ish countries
                                                      • ld00d 9 years ago
                                                        Well the error page is interesting at least...
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