Federal Agents Say They Thwarted a Miltia Plot to Kidnap Michigan
47 points by diffrinse 4 years ago | 28 comments- jfengel 4 years agoEr... not the entire state. Just the governor.
Headline probably meant to say, "Federal Agents Say They Thwarted a Miltia Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer", or something like that. You can leave off the last two words, but if you leave off the last three, you've definitely lost something.
- kaminar 4 years agoExactly where would they hide it? California is good, they don't manage their guests, so there's plenty of room.
- mcphage 4 years agoAlaska could already be hiding a Michigan or two and nobody would bat an eye. There’s two Michigans now, but how do you know there didn’t use to be more?
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- ojrp9wr 4 years agoActually, the group was led by a shady figure known as "Carmen San Diego". They were planning to steal the actual State of Michigan.
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- sk2020 4 years agoFederal agents seem to be really good at foiling insane comic-book-villain schemes (with a glaring exception about 10 years ago) but really bad at stopping millions in damages caused by arsons coordinates on Twitter and Facebook over several months.
- bryanlarsen 4 years agoYou have a credible source for this allegation?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/antifa-starting-fires-oreg...
- sk2020 4 years agoI didn’t think several months of riots in Portland, Kenosha, Atlanta, Washington D.C. and other cities had been debunked by such esteemed fact-checkers as snopes.
There have been a number of people arrested for arson with regard to brush fires. Google turned up this for me https://nypost.com/2020/09/20/six-accused-of-starting-oregon...
I think it would be premature to conclusively say what the motive of every case of the wanton destruction of our forests may be. However, I’m very impressed that the oracles at snopes were able to divine the motives of these actors prior to arrests, trials or even public statements. I bet they clean up at the lottery!
- bryanlarsen 4 years agoYou just posted a link that does a lot to disprove your allegation of organized fire starting.
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- sthnblllII 4 years agoYou mean 19 years ago?
- sk2020 4 years agoYes, thank you! I’m kind of surprised because it doesn’t feel like that long ago at all.
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- jadell 4 years agoCrazy how far into the plot they got before they were stopped. They tracked down her private homes, did surveillance and recon, acquired explosives and other equipment, and it all planned out. I don't know whether it would have actually worked (my guess is not), but it's amazing they got that far considering how early the FBI knew about them. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/1...
- sthnblllII 4 years ago> Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote.
That doesn't sound like an actual plot to take actual specific criminal actions against a specific person. It sounds like something one guy would say to another in a heated conversation. I suspect this entire case will fall apart by the time it goes to trial like all these other fake "domestic terrorism" entrapment cases the FBI likes to trot out for political purposes. The only charge that sticks will be some process crime involving firearm permits.
- bb88 4 years agoSo my understanding from the nytimes article is that they surveilled her vacation home twice and tested an IED device.
So while the IED could be seen as a bunch of rednecks having a great time on a Friday night, the surveillance is I think another story.
There were embedded agents in the group as well as apparently recordings, so we'll have to see what the evidence the government has.
- sthnblllII 4 years agoWe will. In the mean time people reading these articles will have an increasingly twisted view of the world. I wish I had a way to teach people to think more deeply and critically about what they read in the news.
I wonder how a couple of red necks even knew where her vacation home was, and which one of them suggested going there and looking at it from a distance. I suspect the guy whose job it was to get convictions under his belt told them where it was and that they should go there. Another thing we will hopefully find out at trial.
- mcphage 4 years ago> I wish I had a way to teach people to think more deeply and critically about what they read in the news.
Thinking deeply and critically about what we read in the news is a very good skill to have, but reflexively dismissing it because you don’t want it to be true ain’t it, chief.
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- gremlinsinc 4 years ago>> “But it does send a very vivid reminder that while we may be in a period of discourse, possibly even divisiveness and fighting across the nation, law enforcement stands united,” Gasper said.
United on which side though? I mean, can he say without a doubt, there are no cops in Proud Boys or these militias?
- InitialLastName 4 years agoPolice don't need to be in militias. Their right to use violent means to achieve political ends is already enshrined by the state.
- dragonwriter 4 years ago> Police don't need to be in militias.
Well, perhaps they tend not to be in non-state-run organized militias; they tend to be part of the universal militia as defined in law, and perhaps somewhat more frequently than the population in general are part of the state-organized portion of the militia (National Guard or formal state militia [e.g., the California State Guard]).
But, actually, there's quite a lot of recent information about right-wing non-government militia groups infiltrating law enforcement significantly, so its quite possibly the case that they are also more likely than the general population to be involved in that kind of militia.
- InitialLastName 4 years agoMy point was more that the people who join the military cosplay organizations tend to be the type to fantasize about being allowed to do violence against their fellow human. The police have no need to fantasize about that privilege.
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- URfejk 4 years agoFederal Agents Say They Thwarted a Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor
There. I fixed it for you.
- silexia 4 years agoWe live in a scary time where lies from Qanon and similar groups are rampant and exploiting vulnerable gullible people who commit crimes based on those lies.
- bioinformatics 4 years agoYes, specially Anarchists.
- centimeter 4 years agoQanon is a productive use of mildly schizotypal people to reduce the chance of an astroturfed color revolution (a la BLM) in the US being successful.
- mieses 4 years agoYes and similar groups includes MSM and pretty much every website and text ever written, possibly excluding a few math books and VCR manuals.
Consider that what's actually scary is the increasing number of educated people who believe it is possible to engineer a world free of such faults.
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- InitialLastName 4 years agoCan we get this edited to include the word "Governer"? Without that, this is a much different story.