Renting Is Cheaper Than Buying in All 50 Major Metro Areas in the United States
37 points by applecore 4 years ago | 51 comments- serjester 4 years agoAny one else questioning the study methodology? They just compared the average rent payment vs the average mortgage payment?
The average home owner is better off than the average renter so they're buying nicer places. The study made no effort to correct for this. Seems like their conclusions is a given.
- crazygringo 4 years agoSeriously. I thought I had to be missing something, it's so apples-and-oranges.
And not just the fact that the average home owner is better off, but also that the inventory for buying vs. renting is drastically different.
- jeffwass 4 years agoAlso, I’d put a premium on being able to decide on my own improvements instead of settling on the landlord-chosen paint colours and carpets and appliances.
- OldHand2018 4 years agoDude, you aren’t supposed to be paying extra for that!
You take on risk when you customize things. Other people could dislike your color choices and drive your resale value down, the trendy refrigerator you bought might be a maintenance nightmare, etc.
You are supposed to be compensated for taking on risk, which is why owning should be cheaper than renting!
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- dimes 4 years agoI made a spread sheet comparing renting to buying a few years ago. The premise was that I wanted to compare my investment in my home vs. paying less to rent and investing the difference in the stock market. The assumptions were something like a 3.5% mortgage rate (30y) and 4% appreciation on my home, vs. a 7% appreciation in the market.
What I found is that on a time horizon of ~7 years, it absolutely makes sense to buy a home. The reason is that when you have a mortgage, you're making a highly leveraged investment. If you buy a house for 100k and put 20k down, then you're 5x leveraged. If you're able to sell the house for 110k. The price has increased 10%, but your ROI is 50%.
There was a definite inflection point after 7 years, however, where the amount of leverage decreases to the point that the higher gains in the market begin to dominate the modest increase in home value.
- milkytron 4 years agoDid you include closing fees?
Those can take a big chunk out of the appreciation when you sell and buy, and could make a difference of not breaking even for an additional year or two.
- dimes 4 years agoYes, fees were included for selling the house, but I did not include capitol gains taxes in the investment calculation.
- snowwrestler 4 years agoYou should because that can be a big factor in comparing returns between home ownership and equities. You can keep $250k of capital gains on your home tax free, while the lowest capital gains rate you’ll pay when selling equities is 15%. That can be a significant difference in what you take home.
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- fairity 4 years ago> The reason is that when you have a mortgage, you're making a highly leveraged investment.
You can lever up an equity portfolio as well. Moreover, the going interest rate for a margin loan is only 1-2% (less than the cost of a mortgage).
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4 years agoAlthough mortgages have some big advantages:
1. Interest rate can be fixed for 30 years.
2. Interest is tax-deductible.
3. No margin call. If the price drops, you can wait until it recovers.
There’s really nothing similar available to the average person for other investments.
- jjeaff 4 years agoIs that the going rate for a margin loan? I have only found IBKR to have rates that low.
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- thebean11 4 years agoCan you just take the equity back out of your home and put it into the market?
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- sparrc 4 years agoIsn't this generally always the case?
I've always understood that when you buy you should expect to be paying more than a renter for maybe 5-10 years. At least in the US mortgage payments are almost always fixed whereas rents are almost never fixed or controlled.
Rent just rises forever in most cities and usually mortgage payments of people who have owned for 10 years look like amazing bargains.
- mdnahas 4 years agoNo. When you rent, you usually are paying (1) the owner's mortgage, (2) taxes, (3) maintenance and (4) profit. So renting the same place is almost always much more expensive than the mortgage payment.
Rents do not have to rise. They have been rising in most cities because people are moving to cities. Rents dropped in Detroit when a lot of people left. (Rents also rise with inflation.)
I do wonder about the data. It compares the median rental to the median house purchase. And people usually rent smaller places. So, renting is usually cheaper because of that. I don't know that it is an apples-to-apples comparison.
- sparrc 4 years agoThat's not necessarily the case. When you buy a house you can't suddenly just have a mortgage payment equivalent to someone who bought 10-20 years ago. And someone who just recently bought a house cannot charge higher rent than someone who bought 10-20 years ago.
In other words, rent is dictated by the market, not some "cost plus profit" calculation on a per-landlord basis as you're describing.
If you're renting from someone who just recently bought the house, they are very likely taking a short-term loss for long-term gain.
- bluefirebrand 4 years ago> No. When you rent, you usually are paying (1) the owner's mortgage, (2) taxes, (3) maintenance and (4) profit
In what world is this usual? Most of the time when renting you're paying for a single floor of a house or a single condo unit. It would be insane to expect people who are renting a portion of a building to pay for the whole damn thing.
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- bluefirebrand 4 years agoI thought the same, renting is supposed to be cheaper isn't it? It's supposed to be the option for the people who can't afford to own.
People opting out of ownership in favor of renting is an oddity, and usually is nothing about money and instead is about not wanting to be anchored by a mortgage.
- jjeaff 4 years agoWhy would anyone buy a property to rent it out if buying was more expensive than renting?
- bluefirebrand 4 years agoBecause owning a house builds equity and renting doesn't?
Owning a house and having renters pay for your house to build equity is extremely valuable. Even if they only pay 80% of the mortgage, it's still equity you are only paying 20% for.
Besides which, most renting is only for part of a building, so it's much cheaper than buying a whole building and property.
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- JohnWhigham 4 years agoThis is literally a no-brainer, especially when the hidden costs of home ownership aren't even factored into this: Septic tank needs emptying? Years of built-up termite damage finally rears its ugly head? HVAC broke in the middle of the night? Don't have to worry about those costs when renting.
- sokoloff 4 years agoI know it’s anecdotal, but I’ve been contributing the max to my work 401(k) every year for 18 years and also bought a house 14 years ago. The house appreciation alone has dwarfed my 401(k) entire balance (contributions plus earnings). My downpayment of $X has turned into around $7X.
If I treated the extra housing costs (we upgraded significantly from around 1000 ft^2 to 2500 ft^2) as an additional 401(k) that I contributed to, the house still wins but it’s at least close in that case.
- adamredwoods 4 years agoIt really depends. Anecdotally, I have found the cost of owning to be less than renting, even when I had to replace a leaking roof, and I don't feel like I'm at the mercy of the rental market. If I own my home for 5 years, I come out ahead, especially if inflation is on the rise.
- tehwebguy 4 years agoSort of, if the HVAC breaks in the middle of summer you still have to deal with that and the quality of your landlord matters.
With a 5% rent increase your monthly rent spend goes from $1500 to $5880 in 30 years (the most common mortgage term).
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- tehwebguy 4 years agoI mean, maybe, but only for right now. Almost all mortgages are fixed-rate and virtually every rental increases every year. The very short article glosses over the tax advantages and security of owning but skips basically everything important.
Most leases are written to convert to month-to-month, and in most states this is the default if not written. In all states but 3 + DC landlord can unilaterally terminate month-to-month tenancy with proper notice. Usually this is 30 days or one calendar month, in 9 states it is less than that (lowest is 3 days in CT, 10 days in Louisiana) and in 6 states it is always or sometimes more than 30 (e.g. 60 days in NY after 1 yr, 90 after 2 yrs).
- dh5 4 years agoThese rental figures don't seem to hold up to scrutiny. The median rent in NYC is $1,400? How did the source (Lendingtree) come up with these?
- bionhoward 4 years ago"Cheap" is a terrible argument for an investment decision!
If the free market finds a better way to supply housing (prefabs, 3d printing, bigger apartment complexes), then the cost of housing will fall, and thus the speculation on housing prices going up will not work out in the owner's favor, inflation or not, but at least the mortgage payments build equity instead of going into someone else's pocket.
Will the speculated increase in resale value outpace maintenance cost? Not if the resale value goes down for any reason, but then the sum of maintenance cost plus lost value would still need to be more than the rent.
Since housing prices are going up right now, and maintenance while expensive is not more than the value of the home equity, it really does make sense to buy, even at high prices, right?
However, if renting is substantially cheaper than buying, then you could dollar cost average the difference into stocks, and potentially make more. That is also speculative and depends on future stock returns.
Finally, some folks can only afford the cheaper option. For them, it's not really a choice...
crunch numbers...don't just guess
- abstractbarista 4 years agoI guess based on averages, this can be true. For Raleigh, NC they list the rent ~$1100 and mortgage ~$1500.
I have a 15yr fixed mortgage at 2.75% which I started with 20% down to avoid PMI. All-in (HOA, utilities, principle, interest, insurance, maintenance) I am paying ~$1200. And that's to live by myself, in a two-story, 1400sq.ft. townhome. We have a lovely community pool too.
There is no way I could pay that little renting a place with equivalent offerings. If I picked up a roommate or two? Sure, but that's not something I'm willing to compromise on. Keep in mind I have a more aggressive 15yr mortgage. The difference would be even wider in monthly cost for a 30yr.
- brianwawok 4 years agoWhile I generally agree, and own myself, there are some clear downsides to owning that may not have made your math.
* Cost of maintenance and upgrades. You now have to mow your grass or pay someone to mow it. You now need to shovel your driveway or pay someone to do it. When the toilet breaks, you now need to pay for it. When your roof wears out, you now need to replace it. If you don't replace carpeting and replace appliances, your value will slowly drop. A house is basically slowly falling apart, and with no work/money will lose value each year.
At my previous house, I put roughly 5% of my purchase price into all of this junk, per year. So on a 300k house, that works out to like 15k a year, or $1,250 per month. Depending how new or old your house is, sometimes this number can change a little... but it really adds up quite a bit.
* Exposure to real estate market. If you rent and property values double (or half), I doubt you care that much (maybe rent goes up and you move out). If you own and property values plummet (see Las Vegas in 2012), you can be really screwed. You are a lot safer from all this kind of stuff by renting. Yes you miss the gains when the market goes up, but you are protected from the falls.
* Cost to sell. Costs about 10% of your final selling price to unload a house. Stay there for 10 years and the house appreciated? Awesome, you can take it out of our appreciation. But imagine your house stayed flat or lost 10% of it's value? You need to pay another 10% on TOP of that to unload it. Again, compared to renter... the renter can just move out.
- adamredwoods 4 years ago>> protected by the falls
There are protections for house owners. In extreme cases, one can walk away from a mortgage, and take a 7-year loan default.
- brianwawok 4 years agoSure, except
a) If you are 20% down, you still lost 20% + whatever money you put into it. On a million dollar house this is 200k of wealth evaporated.
b) Having no credit for 7 years can be life changing. Not that great to live this life in the US.
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- sharkmerry 4 years agowhen did you buy?
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- Bostonian 4 years agoFixed rate mortgage payments are constant, but rents rise with inflation. If people expect high inflation, that may explain why rents look cheap compared to current mortgage payments on comparable residences.
- Finnucane 4 years agoThis is true--we've owned our house since 2009, so our mortgage is about half of what it would cost to rent around here now.
But in the short term, there really shouldn't be such a big gap between renting and owning. That means that there isn't a global shortage of housing in the market, but distortions in the market because of external factors. Clearly, right now, a renter is better off waiting and putting the difference in the bank.
- ouid 4 years agoIf there is high inflation, the Fed will raise interest rates, crashing the housing market. Not saying you're wrong, but there are many factors to be considered.
- prepend 4 years agoHigh inflation is actually good for homes and other assets. The market will be dampened, but home values will rise with inflation.
Holding assets is a good hedge against inflation.
That and your mortgage is locked so your payment gets super cheap in high inflation situations.
- ouid 4 years agoThe government will never allow high inflation as it undermines the willingness to write and sign long term contracts and trade agreements.
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- splithalf 4 years agoRent control is the norm in our most expensive rental markets.
- 988747 4 years agoWhich is the reason why they are expensive...
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- fred_is_fred 4 years agoSomething I've thought about quite a bit here - for renters don't you worry about being unable to control housing prices long term? I have maintenance on my house and taxes, but I can generally control both (for example I can have my house painted now or wait a year or 2). Rent prices may go up 20% without any input from you. Secondly - do renters move more than owners? How does that work if you have kids in school? I would think ownership provides more stability than renting, but I have no data on whether renters move more or not.
- milkytron 4 years ago> for renters don't you worry about being unable to control housing prices long term?
Yes. This is what ultimately led me to a home purchase. I rented for 3 years, and moved each time. After the first year at each place, rent was increased anywhere from 4% a month to 15% if I were to renew. I ended up not renewing a lease each time, since I didn't have many possessions and could move within a day with the help of a buddy for the big things.
I think that might answer your second question too, but I was younger and had less obligations at the time, so moving was more feasible.
I ended up buying simply because I was already renting the cheapest in my market (really bad area, but good location for my needs), and rent was skyrocketing at about 5-10% increases everywhere I looked. I bought for many reasons, but the primary driver was as a way to secure a stable monthly payment and not have too worry about increasing my future wages to keep my current quality of life.
- axaxs 4 years agoRE prices, not really. Most landlords seem just happy to have someone not tearing up their house and making payments on time. I've not had one increase rates.
If they did increase rates, well, I guess move? Or buy a house if rent everywhere is crazy.
I do tend to move a lot, but that's what I like about renting. Freedom. Can just pick up and leave and onto the next adventure. I owned a house years back, and it felt like a big anchor holding me down.
Kids are an important factor. I think age matters a lot. Mine is in elementary school and is just happy to meet new people.
You do get 'stability' with buying a house, but that's not always good or even a sure thing. Maybe your city will implement a bussing program and cart your kid across the county. Maybe you get an awful neighbor(s) who make tons of noise, park cars in their yard, etc.
Stability is definitely a double edged sword IMO.
- horsawlarway 4 years agoAre you renting from owner operators, or from a corporate owner?
Because my experience with renting apartments was that rates will go up at every renewal - don't like it? Move.
I could rent a new construction 2 bedroom luxury apartment in midtown Atlanta and pay about 1250/month in 2011 (I did this several times with buddies) - usually between 1200 and 1400 sqft. Now you can only rent much older units (constructed 70s to 90s) usually 1 bedroom or a loft for that price - usually around 900sqft.
I just searched the area I used to live for anything with 2 bedroom for 1250 and below. There is one result, and it's old student housing.
If I wanted a comparable apartment to something I could rent 10 years ago for 1250, most options now start at 2500.
Now - home prices have also spiked in my area, but the population growth doesn't seem to be slowing at all, and if I buy I'm no longer subject to yearly increases, and the perils of the rental market continuing to heat up.
Basically - owning means I get to still live where I am after the gentrification occurs. Because as a renter I'll likely be pushed out of the area (even if renting still is cheaper somewhere else in the city)
- axaxs 4 years agoI only rent from individuals who own the home. People should never give money to the likes of BlackRock or Invitation Homes, who are helping destroy the housing market.
Rant aside, there's certainly nothing wrong with owning. I plan to probably settle down and buy this year in fact. I was just trying to show that renting isn't all bad, and certainly has some pros over owning
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- pram 4 years agoMy mortgage payment has gone up $400 a month since 2013 just because of property taxes and the house value getting appraised upwards. Pretty much feels like renting at this point lol
- fred_is_fred 4 years agoOTOH when you sell you reap the benefits of $4800/year in the additional appraised value.
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- vanattab 4 years agoSo maybe a dumb question but how can this possibly be true without landlords losing their shirt? If it is cheaper to rent the building then to own it? They only thing I can think is this not and apples to apples comparison i.e. maybe the average rental was 900sqft apartment vs 1300sqft condo or something.
- b3morales 4 years agoAnother possible factor, though I don't know how big it is, is that landlords now aren't paying housing prices now. They purchased some time in the past.
- nexuist 4 years agoBingo. And, the selling price of the building increased over time with basically zero cost to the owner. Sure they paid for maintenance and improvements, but they don't need to in order to benefit from localization-based appreciation.
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- guilhas 4 years agoI live in the UK, and renting is definitely always more expensive
Also when buying if I extend my mortgage to 35 years I can pay 550 a month, or I can reduce to 25 and pay 900 or more because it is a worth investment place to put your money
So I am only paying more if I want, and that is because it is also my savings, more rentable than a savings account anywhere
- prepend 4 years agoAs far back as I can remember this has always been the case. Sometimes there’s weird situations where buying is cheaper but generally, when looking at the immediate term renting is cheaper.
But it’s pretty dumb to do an analysis like this NYT article as it’s important to factor in some amount of time for decision making. These can get pretty complicated but just a basic personal model factoring in 2-3% annual increases in rent compared against ownership costs is what I used to choose rent over buy.
It can be used for a specific decision (eg, “I’m going to live in Fooberg for 5 years, what should I do?”) or macro life planning (eg, “I’m going to live for 60 more years, what should I do?”).
It’s funny how these articles are so clickbaity and missing on basic reporting and analysis. I think it’s based on the few people who actually sub to the NYT like reading about populist stuff (eg, landlords bad, can’t afford to buy).
Of course these things are true, but they’re always true. Maybe it was awesome in 1945, but it was super hard for someone in their 20s to buy a house in the 80s and 90s and it’s super hard now. Tl;dr; you probably still want to buy a place in 9/10 situations since rent goes up and mortgage is fixed and eventually ends (although taxes and insurance and maintenance sort of index to inflation).
- tootahe45 4 years agoI think it's quite common for people to waste all of their money on consumption and not save or invest, so a mortgage in a way is a forced savings account which helps to average person build or at least save some wealth over time.
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