Ask HN: Is Substack worth the hassle in 2022?

21 points by DrNuke 3 years ago | 24 comments
Content providers show mixed feelings and different opinions about this widespread, well-regarded subscription platform. Any balanced insight from HNers? Thanks.
  • detaro 3 years ago
    It's at high risk to run in the medium-reputation-problem: If you have e.g. the choice between your stuff being linked as "foobar.platform.com" and "foobar.com", the former is great if the platform confers a positive image over any other random URL. That's often the case early-on for new platforms, when they pull in cool early adopters and thus are associated with high-quality content. E.g. the trope-namer medium.com early on had a reputation for nice clean pages and good content. The problem is, that often changes over time, and now a medium.com link encountered in the wild suggests "stupid subscription nagging" and "low-quality self-promotion think-pieces", it's not the neighborhood you want your content to be seen in if it is any good.

    For now substack isn't there yet (although you start to hear the first sentiments in that direction), and their focus on subscription helps avoid it to a degree too, I also see more often people point to "their substack" from elsewhere. But if they go the path of putting the platform more in the foreground, i.e. not "foobars newsletter, which happens to be on substack, but you don't really need to know or notice that", but more "go to substack to find cool content!", that risk increases. Again the medium-comparison: medium was and is big on finding other stuff on medium. Which means even if you read a good article, right next to it medium will push you to read more fluff, because their algorithms have no clue how to promote relevant high-quality content.

    • akpa1 3 years ago
      At this point, just seeing medium.com has a good chance of turning me away from a given article.

      Medium tends to routinely be broken for me, be it because of my efforts to bypass the paywalls and run adblockers or just because of how the site is built. I find the article itself often isn't worth the effort.

    • neural_thing 3 years ago
      Disclaimer: I work at Substack.

      For readers - yes, there is something on Substack you will absolutely love. We don't do a fantastic job of surfacing all the content yet, but we're working on it.

      For writers - depends on what you want. If you want to self-host or customize every bit of design - we probably aren't for you. If you want it to be super easy to publish a free or paid newsletter - Substack is great.

      If you are wondering if the field is saturated yet - I don't think so. I see new successes on Substack popping up every week.

      • StevePerkins 3 years ago
        Substack is "Medium + OnlyFans". It attracts content creators because there's not yet alternatives that offer such turnkey monetization (e.g. Patreon is all a bit more DIY). It works for readers because Substack pulled in some real heavy hitters as early adopters (maybe through enhanced financial incentives?), and so the Substack brand has been linked to those prestigious content creators.

        Once they start promoting and monetizing the PLATFORM itself too much (aka "doing a fantastic job of surfacing all the content"), then the brand will lose its prestigious shine. It will become associated with "Twitter randos", rather than "former columnists at Rolling Stone and The Atlantic", etc. It will become more like Medium.

        That in and of itself isn't the death knell. But that nail in the coffin will come as soon as competing turnkey-monetization alternatives emerge with fresher brand reputation. And I'm sure those competitors will emerge once Substack opens up the door by dialing down its prestige to promote itself more broadly.

        Honestly, I don't know why people invest so much in online content. The early "hot new brand" stage has the shelf life of milk. Some of these brands stick around forever (Slate, Salon, etc), but it seems like they're slashed to skeleton staff after the first 5 or so years when the hotness cools. I guess the long tail of that white dwarf remnant stage trickles in enough revenue to justify keeping them around after people have moved onto the next thing?

        • throw_m239339 3 years ago
          Substack gives a voice the the people that have been shun from far left and state sanctioned circles, like Twitter or Medium. This is certainly neither Medium (which bans people that do not follow progressive morals or ideals) nor OnlyFans (which is a porn website).

          Paid news letters aren't new and didn't wait either Onlyfan or Medium to be a thing.

        • neural_thing 3 years ago
          (obligatory shilling)

          If we are missing a feature you want, come help us build it!

          https://substack.com/jobs

          • xtlyths 3 years ago
            I've heard people reference this platform before, but I have no idea what it is. I just looked at the substack.com, and I feel like I still don't understand it.

            Is it a blogging platform mixed with a newsletter tool?

            Either I missed it entirely, or the landing page assumes I know what it is before I get there.

            Even the about page is buried in "link soup" at the bottom of the page and just leads to hand waving and eventually a short story about something in 1833.

            I don't know what needs to be built, but I do know that I don't know what this is.

            • netizen-936824 3 years ago
              From the first paragraph on the linked jobs page:

              >We make it simple for writers to publish to an email list that they own, get discovered on the web, and charge for subscriptions.

              Sounds to me like a blogging and newsletter platform with subscription fees paid to writers

            • samglover97 3 years ago
              I get the impression that the SEO on substack needs working on - sometimes when I google someone (e.g. 'Scott Alexander' or 'Matt Yglesias') their old pages with their old writing will come up before their substack page.
              • neural_thing 3 years ago
                Yeah we for sure need to improve in that department
          • h2odragon 3 years ago
            There seems to be no way to feed them already formatted text; either do your layout in their "in browser" editor or feed them an RSS feed and accept their translation. Also there's some size limit operating? I kept getting "too large" popup things playing with it, with 8k to 20k of input HTML or markdown.

            If what you want to publish is text in their allowed lengths, and allowed formats, in the way they're set up to do, maybe it's worth it.

            • larqts 3 years ago
              Your question appears to imply that writers are unhappy, without mentioning specifics.

              I'm just a reader who finds that many of the most interesting written opinion pieces on the Internet are on Substack these days. So, for readers it is definitely worth it!

              • obarthelemy 3 years ago
                Is it worth the hassle trying to guess what you mean by that very vague question ?

                edit: ...in 2022.

                • sombremesa 3 years ago
                  If you read past the title it’s pretty clear OP is asking for a general opinion of substack from a content creators perspective.
                • nik5 3 years ago
                  I use substack for sharing links in form of newsletter. I like the platform, it is simple, does one thing well, has a full content RSS feed, editor could use markdown support. Buttondown is better, but I'm currently not planning on paying anything for a while so not switching.

                  As a reader, I like how I can find relevant blogs to read without subscribing and no doubt it is better than medium in every aspect.

                  • PaulHoule 3 years ago
                    Worth the hassle for a content provider to join or worth the hassle for readers?
                    • DrNuke 3 years ago
                      Both… I think subscribers are generally happy for what they get, and there a number of interesting providers. I also can read about a few providers not being happy. Are you on there in some capacity?
                      • PaulHoule 3 years ago
                        I can’t see what would possess somebody to subscribe to a mailing list for any reason in 2022. Email is mostly for receiving spam today, I’d much rather read blogs in a basically clean set of RSS feeds rather than getting opted in from several businesses every day, some of which I know, some of which I don’t.
                        • sofixa 3 years ago
                          For some reason some people are absolutely enamoured with mailing lists. Maybe it's an (Internet) generation thing, because i also consider RSS to be a much better way to "receive" content, and email is either for spam or serious communication (bills, taxes, etc).
                    • hestefisk 3 years ago
                      What alternatives do you see? Medium?