What is the root of my extreme negative thinking patterns?

13 points by Tim25659 3 years ago | 22 comments
most of my life I'm lonely, depressed, anxious, stressed
  • willidiots 3 years ago
    Therapy is the best for this kind of thing. Strongly recommended.

    I delayed therapy for years, thinking it was for people with "major psych problems" when really, you're just learning how to identify and manage your emotions. While this sounds almost stupidly simple, it's actually extremely hard work that most of us never learn! A good therapist will act like a master coach, helping you through the process, as you learn "how to drive" emotionally.

    Finding a good therapist is also hard. And there's very little help for you in that process. Here's some advice I got from a trusted psych, which turned out well for me:

    * Use Psychology Today's Find a Therapist tool: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists

    * Look for therapists who focus on only a few therapeutic orientations (I like CBT)

    * Avoid therapists who offer CBT alongside psychodynamic therapy, or family therapy - these are different, largely incompatible modalities

    You'll probably have to meet with / call a few before you find someone you click with (which is important). Patience is important. The whole process takes time - took me 2 years of weekly work, but it was tremendously helpful.

    Also, exercise. It doesn't have to be anything special / major, just get outside (preferably) and move your body. A walk around the neighborhood is fine. This has a number of positive psych and physical effects.

    Be well!

    • leros 3 years ago
      +1 to everything you said

      The exercising point is really important. I've heard that 30 minutes of light cardio per day is equivalent to taking antidepressants.

    • zepto 3 years ago
      The “root” is likely to be trauma or bad experiences in your past. E.g. bullying, poor parenting, divorce, poverty, neglect, etc. there are many many possibilities.

      It’s pretty easy to have these kinds of experience and not be sure how they relate you your current experience.

      Knowing what the “root” is helpful over the long term for eventual healing, but over the short and medium term you need support. There are many people here discussing therapy and doing a better job than I can.

      Importantly, know that there is a reason you feel this way, and that even if it feels like it’s your fault, you don’t deserve to suffer like this. It is possible to heal, and that will likely be a gradual process that take times and support.

      Be as kind to yourself as you can - even a small amount helps, and seek help.

      • quacked 3 years ago
        That's a great question. The only author I've ever read that I think comes close to answering your question is a pseudonymous author called "Alone", who wrote the blog The Last Psychiatrist.

        Here is one article relevant to your question:

        > https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/04/the_abusive_boyfrien...

        Here is one article that describes the main lens he uses to look at personality, which is "narcissism":

        > https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/the_other_ego_epidem...

        Here is the archive of posts:

        > https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html

        In short--to stop suffering from extreme negative thinking, you will need to change your life. To change your life, you will need to live differently. However, living differently is harder than being unhappy. It will always be much easier to endlessly introspect about why you're unhappy than it will be to do the work of changing your life in order to live differently.

        Good luck. I would be happy to send you some other primary sources that helped me in my life; my email is in my HN profile, but I may not have had the unique problems you have and could just be another dud.

        (The only shot-in-the-dark tip I have for you is to stop hanging out and trusting dishonest people. It is not always easy to recognize when someone is dishonest, but once you've figured it out, don't make excuses to keep trusting them.)

        • zepto 3 years ago
          > However, living differently is harder than being unhappy. It will always be much easier to endlessly introspect about why you're unhappy than it will be to live differently.

          As someone who has fully recovered from chronic depression, I completely disagree with this.

          I do agree that it takes sustained effort to recover, and this must be consistent and in the right direction.

          However, having recovered, everything in life is in fact easier than returning to introspection about being unhappy now.

          • quacked 3 years ago
            Good catch, living post-depression is definitely not harder than living pre-depression and wasn't trying to imply that it is. Updated my wording.

            "Harder" is also subjective; is it harder to feel like you want to die, or harder to clean your room? If "harder" means "takes more effort", it's the second one, but if "harder" means "has a worse impact on your emotional state", it's the first one.

            • zepto 3 years ago
              Yeah - I’m just not sure what useful work the term ‘harder’ is doing. It just compares two things in a way that seems irrelevant, and mostly harmful.

              It does take ‘effort’ to clean your room if you are depressed. But that has very little to do with why one might not do it. Typically it’s because it seems pointless, and because taking action typically intensifies the pain for a while for various reasons.

              The ‘effort’ piece to me seems like a distraction, and one which can imply that the depressed person simply is lazy or not trying hard enough, which is usually the opposite.

              Someone who feels like they want to die can be putting a great deal of effort into battling with their thoughts and ruminating. Indeed some theories contend that this problem solving effort is fundamental to depression.

        • wilkommen 3 years ago
          The reason people attend therapy is to answer exactly that question. And if you really want answers and you find the right therapist/psychologist, you will probably find answers.
          • WHA8m 3 years ago
            After writing this reply I feel like I should point out firstly, that this is not in offense to the parent comment. He/she did it right and I just wanted to add/share my own experience.

            I completely agree, but this is easier said than done. The emphasis is on RIGHT therapist. There aren't necessarily good and bad therapists, but ones an individual can work with. Finding those is very difficult and time consuming. I'm not sure if pointing this out is doing more harm than good, but it's certainly true. This is something I was affected with. People told me to go to the therapist as if it was that easy to solve a problem. Like, therapists are doctors for you mind. I went there with no prior knowledge or expertise on how a therapy works and after 7 weeks I was utterly disappointed and lost. What I (wrongfully) concluded, was, that therapy doesn't work for me. That therapy was for worse cases than me. That I didn't fit the system. Surely this is my own fault for not having a problem oriented mindset towards therapy, but in the end, it's not about whose fault it is. It's about helping people. So, after all of this I sometimes think we should at least imply that there is more nuance and effort to this approach (that is, visiting a therapist).

            • wilkommen 3 years ago
              I fully agree, you said it well. It can be very hard to find the right therapist, and it’s not like going to the doctor. Anyone who says that it’s like that doesn’t know what they’re talking about. It’s a longer and less straightforward process, and the patient needs to know that they are in the driver’s seat. But when you find the right therapist, it can be a catalyst that greatly improves your ability to heal fast.
          • AtlasBarfed 3 years ago
            Um, depression in the clinical sense?

            I would recommend exercise. A lot of it. Do things that don't involve comparison. Do things where you travel places but are alone with your thoughts to process things.

            GET A BIKE. Hike.

            Do a triathlon. There is something about all three sports that integrate three different experiences that makes you work through more of your issues. Swimming is kind of strangely prenatal/sensory deprivation. Biking is speed and wind blowing through your hair and the elements, and a bit of the mechanical world.

            Running is the primitive and primeval . Every land things runs. Everything needs to run from something, and run to something.

            Triathlon races have a very strong contingent of people that are "just doing it". Because of the jack-of-all trades nature, everyone is inferior to the true single sport pros. Yeah, there is a bit of the narcissist cool bike group. Disregard them.

            Also, lift. Being strong in body is strong in mind.

            Source: Man was I negative even though I did cross country and pickup basketball. When I started triathlons and I did my first ironman, it was ... different. The world was different. It was carthartic. Not in the dropping to my knees and crying, but damn, something was lifted from my shoulders.

            You do even a half ironman, and realize you went SEVENTY miles under your own power, you realize what abilities are locked inside your body.

            • WHA8m 3 years ago
              Hey Tim, can you share a little more? When I clicked on your thread, I was expecting at least a couple of sentences in explanation on your situation. As of now, the only reasonable respond you'll get, is, to go see a therapist - which a couple of people pointed out before me and you should read closely what they wrote. But visiting a therapist and getting an appointment can take a while and HN usually has a lot of good advise to offer what you could do in the meantime to improve your situation. But that'd require a bit more information. If you want to share more, that might give you some valuable insight on how other people dealt with similar situations. If you don't want to tell more about you - which is perfectly fine - but want _additional_ approaches, you can browse previous HN threads [1]. But definitely look after an appointment with a therapist. All the best to you! :)

              [1] https://hn.algolia.com/ (don't spend too much time there, it's endless)

              • kirsebaer 3 years ago
                Check out CPTSD (Complex Post-traumatic Stress Disorder) and Childhood Emotional Neglect. What you describe is very common in people who were emotionally neglected or mistreated as children.
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                  • aristofun 3 years ago
                    Whatever the motivation behind the question, remember this — there’s no one fits all answer.

                    Anyone assuming the opposite is either ignorant or trying to sell you something.

                    Hence the importance of therapy or any activity where you have live human beings trying to figure out your specific issue and your unique circumstances.

                    • afarrell 3 years ago
                      Insufficient time spent with your brain attending to your body. One solution is to play futbol.

                      Insufficient affectionate hugs. One solution is to go folk dancing.

                      Insufficient time spent listening to people chat about their lives. One solution is to go to church potlucks.

                      • johngalt 3 years ago
                        Don't listen to your brain. It will give you a bunch of reasons to be sad, and ruminating about it will only pull you in deeper.

                        Ensure you have enough of the following: Sunlight, physical activity, sleep.

                        Set a specific time to sleep and wake. Get a step counter and ensure you are getting at least 10k steps a day. Regular walks during the daytime will help with both sunlight and activity.

                        After that, work on diet and social activity. If that doesn't fix it, talk to a professional.

                        • leros 3 years ago
                          I completely disagree on not listening to your brain. Your brain has an emotional side, some call it your inner child, that is the raw unfiltered you. You inner child might be screaming out for help because he doesn't feel safe and needs your help. That is worth listening to. You don't want to just grit your teeth and ignore your worries.

                          Your feelings are completely valid and there is a reason you have them. Don't ignore them.

                          That being said, you also don't want to let your brain run away and make you miserable with repeated worrying. It's a balance to recognize that you feelings are real, deserve to be recognized, maybe require action, but also to not let your worries dominate your life.

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                        • leros 3 years ago
                          I suggest finding a therapist who specializes in cognitive behavioral therapy. They can help you with strategies to improve your thinking patterns and help you work on the origins of your problems. It's life changing, so find a therapist if you can afford it.
                          • ncmncm 3 years ago
                            Very possibly depression. For most kinds (and there are kinds, nobody is sure how many) there's a pill that fixes it.

                            There is no way known to discover which kind you have besides trying different pills until you hit on one that works.

                            • bitxbitxbitcoin 3 years ago
                              I say this as a blanket possibility: Possibly too much screen time doom scrolling.
                              • crate_barre 3 years ago
                                I’ll take a stab:

                                Did you have high expectation parents or parents that were difficult to satisfy? Were you around snobby people all your life that were entitled and competitive in social hierarchies (think Mean Girls), justifying their worth via dangerous forms of validation (money, status, vanity, general elitism)? Did you yourself also amass these qualities throughout most of your life, or at least some of them?

                                A lifetime of being soaked in miserable baths like what I just described will create a disgusting internal dialogue that attacks both inward and outward (you hate yourself, and respect no one).

                                /signed

                                A Miserable person that knew many other miserable people.

                                • mrkramer 3 years ago
                                  >most of my life I'm lonely, depressed, anxious, stressed

                                  You answered your question. Change your lifestyle, I know that it is easier said than done but try.

                                  • apolymath 3 years ago