Google gives execs raises after declining to boost employees' pay
105 points by johncena33 3 years ago | 46 comments- jedberg 3 years agoThey didn't decline to boost employee pay -- they declined to make an across the board COL adjustment. Instead they will build the COL adjustment into each person's annual raise along with a performance bonus.
You're only hearing about these guys because they are required to report it in their SEC filings.
- KeepFlying 3 years agoI'm not sure the exact breakdown of their rewards, but baking a COL adjustment and a merit increase in a single number doesn't really count. Makes it way too easy to reduce pay increases.
- nostrademons 3 years agoThat's sort of the point. They want to pay underperformers less in the hopes that they leave, while paying overperformers more to make sure they stay.
- arcticbull 3 years agoGenerally at big-tech/FAANGs, you can expect:
... a refresh grant every year equal to 25% of a new hire grant for someone of your level vesting over 4 years, quarterly, with no cliff.
... a COL adjustment.
... a merit-based pay hike.
... a market adjustment if appropriate.
This is not a reduction in pay no matter how you slice it. It's going to be way more than 7%. It's going to be roughly 6.25% + 3% + 0-5%. 10-15% annually. 13-18% if they get the COL.
These are assessed relative to the market.
This is on top of your base pay, bonus, company bonus multiplier and vesting equity which has probably significantly appreciated year over year - potentially huge, as GOOG is up 37% YoY.
I'm not worried for the employees even though leadership didn't commit to making COL adjustments 6-7% this year instead of 2-3% like most years. It's a rounding error for these folks and there's no world in which they're getting a pay cut if they're meeting expectations.
- klipt 3 years agoMostly it gives them the ability to effectively cut the pay of those whose performance they don't value, by giving them increases smaller than inflation.
- arcticbull 3 years agoMost FAANGs will just nuke them from orbit instead of trying to coax them out with a 3% raise instead of a 6% raise. Google may be an exception, I don't know, but you're not going to last long as a 'low performer' at Amazon (as today's LinkedIn post will attest) or Meta or Apple. They'll just tell you to pack your shit.
- arcticbull 3 years ago
- MisterBastahrd 3 years agoI have a fear that my team where I work is going to go through more attrition this year because of a similar philosophy. We didn't get merit or COL increases last year, and I doubt they're gonna wanna go more than a few percent on COL this year. That's a huge effective pay cut.
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- nostrademons 3 years ago
- dntrkv 3 years agoThis article is blog spam dog shit.
“Company that pays exceptionally well is not doing an across the board CoL adjustment”
There is literally no story here.
Oh wow look another article from this spam site claims Google is the top paying employer in the US.
https://www.hcamag.com/us/news/general/top-50-companies-with...
- deelowe 3 years agoAlmost no company pays people based on COL. Pay is based on the market rate for the area which should generally go up as COL increases but not in every case or for every role.
- hyperhopper 3 years agoBut they did not make a inflation adjusted increase to each employee, so you're just dodging the point.
The increase didn't happen. They declined to boost employee pay
Yeah, maybe the top 5% got bigger increases, but that's not whats being discussed
- UncleMeat 3 years agoGoogle gives regular raises and the raise curves were considerably higher this year than prior years. "Index raises to inflation" would mean lower pay for engineers here.
- UncleMeat 3 years ago
- alisonkisk 3 years ago
- KeepFlying 3 years ago
- sjtindell 3 years agoGoogle is literally a money printer. They could all go on vacation and the thing would run itself. The fact that they will pay execs these sums to do nothing but start and kill yet another useless side product is embarrassing.
- meristohm 3 years agoWho is doing anything worth more than a living wage (some amount that meets basic needs where they live, plus some buffer) independent of all the infrastructure built with the know-how, sweat, and blood of others?
- neilv 3 years agoI don't think this will prompt a lot of computer programmers at Google to move to a company that pays better.
- endisneigh 3 years agoHaven’t companies been doing this for literally centuries?
It sucks, but it seems that it is what it is. Fortunately people can vote with their feet and googlers in particular are likely to be able to get a pay increase by switching jobs.
Short of a straight up profit share it doesn’t seem like there’s a reliable way to guarantee pay increases - stock is a decent hedge but then you can have 80% drops in a year like Peloton.
- hexo 3 years agoSo the company went from user-hostile to employee-hostile. Congratulations.
- monkeybutton 3 years agoRegression towards the mean of corporate America. The first couple decades were extraordinary but it wasn't going to last.
- tasha0663 3 years agoI think its just run by AM at this point. "Don't be evil" is now "HATE."
- zingplex 3 years agoThey're still a user-hostile company as well
- monkeybutton 3 years ago
- pts_ 3 years agoVictims not employees, of extortion.
- lokar 3 years agoGoogle has never given standard yearly raises. You get a raise when you are promoted or when the market reference goes up.
- atbpaca 3 years agoSundar Pichai has just updated Google's mantra: "Don't be evil, be greedy!"
- refurb 3 years ago
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- nahnahno 3 years ago
- dang 3 years agoPlease don't fulminate on HN. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
You may not owe steel procreators better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. We're trying for curious conversation here.
- ramphastidae 3 years agoIs it really disgusting? Google stock rose 65% in 2021. Unless you are working at the cafeteria, the recent inflation had little impact on the compensation of Google employees.
- marricks 3 years agoSo by that logic execs certainly didn't need an increase in salary?
- refurb 3 years agoDid they get a salary increase? Or did their equity just go up like everyone else?
Executives tend to have salaries that are a fraction of total comp.
- refurb 3 years ago
- ggm 3 years agoAm I to understand that the minions who clean toilets and garden and serve food continue to be outsourced so Mr Google can say it doesn't exploit its workforce?
Mountain View paradise has an underclass?
- kevingadd 3 years agoDo TVCs get stock? Most or all of the big silicon valley corps employ a ton of temps, contractors etc.
- mrandish 3 years ago> Do TVCs get stock?
Since they actually work for the contracting or temp company and not the contracting customer of that company, the arrangement doesn't generally include equity, profit-sharing and other benefits from the contracting company. However, the employee of the temp or contracting company might be able to negotiate equity, profit-sharing or other benefits from their employer if their market value is sufficiently high. It all depends on the arrangement the employee makes with their employer and that is usually driven by how in-demand, rare and proven the particular employee's skills are.
I've found it valuable to have the flexibility to choose whether I want to be an employee or a contractor depending on the market, company and my goals at the time. Over the decades I've experienced the upside and the downside of being an employee working alongside contractors who were taking home substantially more per day than I was but not getting equity. Sometimes my options ended up being nearly worthless and other times it worked out extremely well. Conversely, at other times I've been a short-term contractor able to negotiate fantastic weekly take-home pay. Sometimes that worked out very well and other times it would've been even better for me to have taken the job offer and been an equity employee. But I would have had to stay three or four years to vest, sacrificing the flexibility to pick my assignments, location and schedule.
Having experienced all sides of this, I've found the determining factor isn't really the choice of compensation model. What matters most is developing unique skills and being able to consistently deliver tangible value. How I choose to monetize my value is up to me and, like any investment, I get to 'pick my poison' and live with the consequences. Barring random luck, increased certainty and immediacy of minimum guaranteed compensation tends to come at the cost of potential maximum upside.
- mrandish 3 years ago
- KeepFlying 3 years agoDepends on how much of comp is based on stock, and how much of that is based stock awards that don't vest immediately/quickly. Its likely that a lot of employees are selling stock asap and wouldn't get to realize all that growth.
- xyzzyz 3 years agoThe employees have a lot of unvested stock most of the time, so they very much get to benefit from the stock price growth.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 3 years agoAnything that isn't vesting immediately will be worth more, increasing future compensation (in USD) even if employees sell what they can immediately. https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/ says there are 3 and 4 year vesting schedules.
- xyzzyz 3 years ago
- chii 3 years agostock grants are given by dollar amounts, rather than by units - so if the stock price grew, you'd get fewer stock units!
Of course, while waiting on the vesting period, they grow, but those grants were made a while ago - contingent on your employment - which means the growth is part of the expectation of the compensation. After all, the stock _could_ drop during that period too, and you don't get extra cash compensation to, well, compensate.
Therefore, you cannot use the stock price growth to argue that they don't need inflationary wage adjustments.
- marricks 3 years ago
- specto 3 years agoSame at the company I work for, so this seems to be normal for publicly traded companies.
- tdhoot 3 years ago> worst inflationary periods in 100 years
I don't completely disagree with you, but c'mon this is hyperbole, right?
https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/inflation-over-last-100...
- wutbrodo 3 years agoThere's something hilarious about nitpicking a statistic out of a comment that's nothing but an unhinged rant.
- wutbrodo 3 years ago
- dang 3 years ago
- mensetmanusman 3 years agoIf our executives didn’t make millions and millions of dollars, how could they possibly lead us?