I'm not convinced of that. Tesla's connector is thinner and lighter yes absolutely. But Tesla is also weaker and less reliable \ less fault tolerant than standard EV charger cables (See the dreaded EP307 / lock error, something that can't even happen with a normal EV CCS charger)

I definitely think it's preferable for CCS win, as it's the safest, most durable, most compatible, while also being the lowest cost option.

I'm reading the announcement differently. They are saying future non Teslas who adopt NACS can use the Tesla chargers. It doesn't say anything about current CCS cars being able to use Tesla charging.

My bet is that within two years Tesla standardizes on CCS for its US cars (thus getting rid of an annoying upgrade/adapter/retrofit problem) and then what'll be left is the sad minority (AKA me) who are stuck with the dying standard and an annoying dongle.

In the US:

There are 36000 individual tesla connections

There are 92000 l2 j1772 ports.

There are 22000 CCS DC fast ports

They are comparing the DC fast number to the tesla number, and ignoring the j1772 number.

The Leaf is the only model in the U.S. that uses, or has ever used, the CHAdeMO connection that the Leaf has. Good luck finding a CHAdeMO charger now, it was already hard 4 years ago and it is just getting worse. Most places that had one were Nissan dealerships, but those are almost always broken now. Nissan dealers just don't care about it. Even when they exist and are working, that has to be the most difficult connector I've ever seen for a consumer-grade product.

Their 40kW battery base model costs as much as a 60kW Chevy Bolt. Where I live, 40kW will get you only ~120 miles of range. That small of a battery also can't charge that fast.

The most damning thing of all though is that the Nissan Leaf is the only EV sold today that doesn't use active cooling on their battery pack. It was a horrible oversight on the Gen1 Leaf, but it is absurd for the Gen2 after most of those Gen1 batteries cooked themselves to death (and were eventually replaced after a class-action lawsuit).

I think even they've dropped it for future stuff tho.

It has nowhere to go but now, and is almost certainly dropping fast.

The number is also a feint.

It's true that NACS outnumbers CCS, but that's because they are only comparing fast-charging spots, which they outnumber.

If you included the J1772 part, tesla is outnumbered at this point in the US.

Going by ports (because that's what tesla is counting in their numbers).

There are ~92000 public level 2 ports (not chargers) in the US. That does not include the DC fast charging ports. There are about 20k of these.

There are 35,000 tesla ports (which tracks, since this is 60% more than 20k) For tesla, there is no difference between dc fast charging and non ports.

So the number cited is, as per usual for tesla, misleading, since it ignores the level 2 ports that are commonly used. There are 2.5x more of those, and combined with CCS, there are 3x more ports total than tesla's standard.

I like the connector for sure, but it's way too late.

Even if competitors decide to use the Tesla standard, it'll be a few years before they ship it. By then, Tesla's current 66% share of deployed vehicles will almost certainly have dropped to less than 50%.

Also, Musk said they're opening up superchargers to CCS soon, so car buyers like me don't think the Tesla connector is a differentiator any more.

Having said that, I have a CCS car, and charge station availability is totally fine, at least in the parts of California where superchargers exist.

The major auto manufactures are on track to have 60% of all new cars EVs by 2026. Tesla just can't compete with that volume. They need to start getting ready for the new standard now, not pulling this nonsense.

Only by strict volume of cars on the road. Looking at manufacturers and models, they are just a tiny fraction of the market. And judging from how fast their market share is slipping, we're probably only a year or so from them being in the strict minority by any metric.

The spec being open put up on a website does practically nothing. Patent's are public and it'd be trivial to reverse engineer a charging standard anyway.

I for one am fine with it. The "NACS" is objectively better by almost every available measure, and if the despised Elon Musk wants to give his stuff away, hey I'll take it. Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal?

Though if most of the bulk/plug is on the charger side, than this is all a non-issue.

A bunch of far behind EV manufacturers settling on an inferior connector doesn’t mean much. Tesla and its connector is exactly akin to Sony and Blu-ray, except Tesla is further ahead and won’t be charging licensing.

Their year-over-year market share is declining sharply, however. They should have tried this move five years ago.

Even if Tesla updates the Model 3 & Y to be competitive on features, the sheer quantity of competition means they were never going to dominate the space. If they choose to keep removing features from their cars instead of adding them, I start to wonder what exactly Elon's vision for the future of the company is.

noting that you appear to agree with my assessment that they want to kill off CCS and force all carmakers to use their ports as a means of avoiding having to change their own supercahrgers, otherwise, no thanks, I own a new car with the NA CCS charger and it was a significant investment. I'd prefer my car not be "killed off".

> Tesla is well over half of the electric cars. There’s no reason for them to accommodate the absolute worst standard at their stations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System

> Automobile manufacturers that support CCS include BMW, Daimler, FCA, Ford, Jaguar, General Motors, Groupe PSA, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, MG, Polestar, Renault, Rivian, Tesla, Mahindra, Tata Motors and Volkswagen Group.[1][2]

unless they are compelled to do so in the interest of the public good so that "nearly half of electric cars" (currently already on the road) aren't trashed. or please make an adapter for existing CCS cars.

here's a vendor that appears to be planning to manufacture such an adapter. pretty hard to find, though. https://evadept.com/tesla-supercharger-to-ccs-adapter-guide/

this is correct, I am just assuming.

> Tesla has also committed to building Superchargers with CCS connectors.

This has happened in some European countries, but as far as the US, it remains all talk; the large amount of Tesla superchargers everywhere remain unavailable for those of us with CCS vehicles. This move seems very much like intended to take the pressure off having to do this change within the US, which is my point (entirely conjecture on my part).

I’m biased, but I’ve also used all three plugs (CCS, J1772, NACS). NACS is the USB-C to the other two’s DVI.

I'm not sure how 3-phase fits in, but it didn't prevent being at least as useful as in the U.S.