2023 UFO Claims by David Grusch

11 points by graderjs 2 years ago | 15 comments
  • nostradamuspots 2 years ago
    Reports are that roswell ufo were shot down with scalar wewpoms in a thunderstorm, then reverse engineered, part of that engineering involved development of electropulse weapons—suitsble for use agsinst et craft. But currently, 95 % of ufos are our own vehicles, reverse engineered, making use of anti gravity and alternate energy sources, from recovered crafts. they are only ufos to the extent that they are secret—not part of official govmt operation, but part of an extra-governments black ops coalition, funded vy drugs and sex traficking, working with aerospace companies. Thus, when govmt and navy cant identify ufo crafts, they are telling the truth. Tney have t been read into this extra-governmentsl and illegal program. This is what greer snd gruwch are referring to
    • keepamovin 2 years ago
      I like how some of the keys on your keyboard don't work, ha ha! :)
      • nostradamuspots 2 years ago
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    • rbanffy 2 years ago
      It's quite extraordinary to think that a civilization that mastered interstellar travel (or interdimensional, or time, or whatever we think this is about) wouldn't have mastered the art of flying in an atmosphere, something we, monkeys that have gotten down from the trees in the last couple minutes in cosmic terms and that discovered flight a short hundred years ago, can do much more reliably (considering how rarely airliners go down).
      • graderjs 2 years ago
        There's ways you can make it less extraordinary.

        0) What if interdimensional travel is easier than we think, we just haven't figured out the hack yet. Ergo: they're not actually that advanced.

        0.5) What if they're hyper-specialized? They're really good at crossing dimensions but not so good at conventional flight.

        0.618) What if they're hyper-efficient, and sending these craft for them is like us manufacturing widgets in a manual factory? As in they've reduced the cost so much that a few trips having "defects" is normal and within an acceptable QA tolerance for them?

        1) What if unreliability is a fundamental property of interstellar/interdimensional (or whatever we think this is) travel. In a physical-law type of way analogous to the uncertainty principle specifying an inviolable tradeoff between precision of position and momentum.

        2) What if they're very promiscuous? What if there's 200 craft in Earth's atmosphere right now, and basically constantly for 1000 years. Assume they arrive and depart at basically constant rate of 40 per second (20 in / 20 out). For 90 years of cover up that's 110,730,240,000: or 110 billion. Assume they only crash on entry or exit. Assume that 20 craft have crashed in that time. That means they have a 1 in 5.5 billion chance of crashing. Googling estimates of airline crashes gives 1 in 1 million to 1 in 11 million. Making them 500 to 5000 times more reliable. Checks out.

        I think the extraordinary thing is taking a default anthropocentric point of view, and extrapolating it to the whole universe, and having a high expectation that's highly likely to be valid.

        • rbanffy 2 years ago
          It’s not really anthropocentric WRT physics. If interstellar travel were easy, we’d see lots of different species and some form of distribution along the “willingness to be discovered” axis.
          • graderjs 2 years ago
            That is what we see, it's just suppressed — with ridicule, and dismissal.

            Also, our physics is a human model remember: it's completely anthropocentric. As is the human propensity seemingly to assume that's all the physics there is.

        • graderjs 2 years ago
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        • tgv 2 years ago
          So the first crash was in 1933 in Italy, and it's still a secret? Hard to believe.