The end of Pepper&Carrot and my next project

112 points by cab404 1 year ago | 13 comments
  • seabass-labrax 1 year ago
    David Revoy's involvement in FOSS is almost a blessing. He has drawn this comic, Pepper and Carrot, using free software like Krita. But that's only the surface level of his contribution to FOSS.

    He has pioneered a collaborative approach to comic translation in an industry where most publishers respond to volunteer translators with legal threats. (See [1] for the dominant sentiment among conventional comic publishers.)

    Dozens of FOSS projects owe wonderful illustrations and mascots to David Revoy, including all of the initiatives by Framasoft (a French association focusing on software freedom). They are characters for communities to rally around, and can make these charitable initiatives and software projects feel more approachable to non-technical people. The open source app Mobilizon has cute cartoon foxes for instance[2], which you can even have as your online profile picture[3]!

    Add to that a myriad of educational videos and blog posts about both art in general and doing art with open source software and you can perhaps see how passionate David Revoy is. Well, so concludes my little accolade to him on HN! I wish him the best of luck with his new comic.

    [1]: https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/culture/2022/03/199_314538....

    [2]: https://joinmobilizon.org/

    [3]: https://www.peppercarrot.com/extras/html/2020_mobilizon-gene...

    • colinsane 1 year ago
      i'm drawn to FOSS by my values, and David really is out there living his values. we have a number of people in this space who strive for that same ideal -- and i appreciate them all -- but it really is too easy to get bogged down in the low level stuff. David is so important to this space because ironically enough, he escapes the last 'S' in that acronym: he shows us a world in which FOSS can be so much more than "just" software.
    • nacs 1 year ago
      David Revoy has been making fantastic Krita tutorial videos on his Youtube and is an artist that promotes and teaches a lot of art-related opensource/Linux things in addition to doing the regular comics.

      https://www.youtube.com/@DavidRevoy/videos

      • zeograd 1 year ago
        In the spirit of FOSS, he also publishes his video on peertube: https://peertube.touhoppai.moe/a/shichimi/video-channels

        Disclaimer: I manage this Peertube instance and used to mirror, with his agreement, those channels as mirrors, and he's now managing them directly.

        • orbisvicis 1 year ago
          Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I was on a different peertube instance, there'd be no way to discover his videos aside from word-of-mouth? As in, peertube has no global search, right?
          • pseudoramble 1 year ago
            There is offering from the creators of Peertube I believe: https://sepiasearch.org/. I think instances have to be added manually into the index, and tbh I don't use it much and so I'm not sure of the quality. But it sort of covers what you're asking for, at least kinda.
            • zeograd 1 year ago
              Discoverability is indeed lacking in Peertube, as for global search, what looks the most like it is https://sepiasearch.org/
        • Toorkit 1 year ago
          Glad to hear he's finishing it, not just stopping. I've definitely enjoyed this series, it's very wholesome.
          • Topgamer7 1 year ago
            I really enjoyed his Chaos and Evolutions videos he released long ago.
            • remram 1 year ago
              This seems to be a minor refocus rather than a new project. Is he set on the name, "Mini Fantasy Theater"?
              • olesya1979 1 year ago
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                • echelon 1 year ago
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                  • egypturnash 1 year ago
                    "It's also a challenge to start a new art project in this era of unethical AI art, pay to win social media, algorithms with cryptic rules that serve the interests of their platforms, search engines that only return commercial partnerships and AI pollution. But now I'm confident that I will find a way and bring interesting answers to the table." - the original post

                    "Safari can't open the page 'shortbread.ai' because Safari can't establish a secure connection to 'shortbread.ai'" - my browser

                    • echelon 1 year ago
                      Y'all unfairly flagged my comment. It was a totally valid thread of conversation.

                      I didn't read to the end of the blog post to see the closing remarks about AI because there was no context about what Pepper and Carrot is/was.

                      You'd think someone who liberally licenses their work and encourages reuse would be happy that remixing is available to lots more people. I don't understand how you want your work to be reused, but only by people who spent decades learning pen and paper techniques. That's gatekeeping.

                      Regardless of what these people feel, Gen AI will make creation more accessible to lots of people. It's just as computers and smartphones have done. You don't have to be a mathematician with decades of experience using punch cards. Or a medieval priest with access to books before the printing press.

                      Edit: from their homepage,

                      > On Another hand, I don't have anything against AI tools themself, Generative Art or Neural Networks algorythm. If you know my work, I even offered more than once my art to train neural network for scientific paper and research. I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent).

                      Doesn't seem so anti-AI to me.

                      • CaptainFever 1 year ago
                        > I just want the tools to be built on ethical datasets based on scrapping only Public Domain and CC-0 resources before using them (or the work of artists who consent).

                        Just a side note, but this seems like a movement of goalposts. Surely if a model is open weights with mega-attribution, CC-BY or CC-BY-SA is fine?

                        Not to mention Adobe Firefly already exists which would meet his definition of ethics.

                        Even the Creative Commons themselves have said something different:

                        > In the context of an enforceable right, the ability to opt out from such uses must be considered the legislative ceiling, as opt-in and consent-based approaches would lock away large swaths of the commons due to the excessive length and scope of copyright protection, as well as the fact that most works are not actively managed in any way.

                        Source: https://creativecommons.org/2023/10/07/making-ai-work-for-cr...

                        And let's not forget what free culture is about:

                        > The free-culture movement is a social movement that promotes the freedom to distribute and modify the creative works of others in the form of free content or open content without compensation to, or the consent of, the work's original creators

                        Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-culture_movement

                        It's about giving power back to the users and consumers, not to artists or developers.

                        It's nice to see the project isn't ending because of this though, and only because he felt it was good to end the story on a high note.

                    • drewdevault 1 year ago
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