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Thus spoke me

Always good to be aware of our small tech bubble here and that things we take for granted already, might not even be close to adoption :)

Everything outside that structure is an afterthought. The occasional indie hit songs and labels have failed to upend the music industry power structure for a century (they tend to get acquired if they get big enough). Tons of people making songs mostly for themselves will only dilute the power of smaller players.

The labels will probably extract some licensing fees off the stolen copyrighted training data, but they famously don't care about their musicians earning a livelihood.

https://www.udio.com/

(Not affiliated, nor have used either much - based on first impressions playing around and listening to others results.)

Does the model build up track by track vertically, which would then lend itself to a more capable product for professionals, an AI powered DAW if you will. Or is it building a linear stream of all the sounds beat by beat e.g. horizontally?

FWIW I got consistently more musically pleasing results from Udio than Suno. Although occasionally Udio would sing AI gibberish.

So, if anyone can make music, then what's the value of being able to make music?

But, if what it enables still requires some rare talent or significant learning to make good music, then how is that different from today? And, well, anyone can already make bad music.

Or maybe I'm just in my greybeard "get off my lawn" mode today.

> "make a song with Johnny Cash singing about X"

That would result in IP/copyright issues, no? I don't really know the legal specifics here, so grant me some slack if I am not using the correct language. But, assuming that input does create a legal problem, does the same apply to these sort of prompts:

> "with a guitar solo by Zakk Wylde"

> "with drum fills like Thomas Stauch"

etc...

Are there similar legal protections around instruments as the voice?

Its training on musical styles gives it a lead, its vocals needs much improvement.

Its a great tool for creativity, but its a tad far from music ending up in my playlist due to vocals. For now. Instrumentals, i can totally see using it for background music in videos, themes, trailers, etc.

I could see this paradigm becoming insanely popular with indie artists to make high quality / low skill backing tracks for their vocals.

Isn't the music industry like 10x more gangster? Will guys with bats go into the Suno CEO's office and hang him by his heels over the balcony?

I wonder how it plays out.

Maybe this will happen with art. In any case, I'll still listen to human-generated music.

--Glass is half full department

Sure, it's not going to trend on Apple Music... but it's the best we've ever done and a genuine step above previous efforts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8NyEjB_XeA

Making music is not just about whether a song measures up to some objective standard of goodness. It is about the process of connection and sharing between the musician and audience (which I mean in a broad way -- it could be another musician in the band). There are many amazing musical experiences that I have had that are not possible except in a live experience. My concern is that these kinds of tools will dissuade people from participating, in no small part because ai music is better than what most people can produce -- by the standards of recorded music. Why should I even try if I can't even come close to an ai?

In a worst case scenario, and I'm not saying this will happen, ai generated art (not just music) creates a doom loop where people stop making art themselves. Communities formed around participation in art wither away and we lose the ability to make art ourselves. We then become solely reliant upon ai for art, which means that art will primarily be consumed through the human -> ai interface rather than the human -> human interface. I'm not opposed to people experimenting with ai but I am worried about it replacing the human -> human interface and, frankly, the last 20 years of social media give me ample reason for those concerns.