Susan Wojcicki has died
721 points by grandmczeb 11 months ago | 452 comments- lchengify 11 months agoWas shocked to hear this news. I worked for Google years ago but I was in the NYC office, so we didn't run into the YouTube folks much.
Opinions about YouTube may be mixed here on HN, but it is objectively one of the most successful businesses in tech or media to emerge in the past 15 years. If it weren't buried inside Alphabet, Youtube would be worth on the order of $400 billion, more than Disney and Comcast combined. It's a weird mix of a huge creator monetization network, a music channel, an education platform, a forever-store of niche content, and a utility.
It's also not a business that rested on it's laurels. It's easy to forget how novel creator monetization was when YouTube adopted it. They do a lot of active work to manage their creators, and now have grown into a music and podcast platform that is challenging Apple. To top it off, YouTube TV, despite costing just as much as cable, is objectively a good product.
Few products have the brand, the reach, monetization, and the endurance that YouTube has had within Google. And I know for a fact that this is in no small part due to the way it was managed.
I've probably watched tens of thousands of hours of YouTube at this point. Some of it sublime, some of it absurd, some of it critical for my work or my degree. I couldn't imagine a world without it.
RIP.
- dotnet00 11 months agoYouTube has very much been resting on its laurels, they were innovative 20 years ago when they started. For the past decade or so they have mostly just rested on their laurels allowing the auto-moderation to rampage and destroy people's livelihoods.
They've been way behind on adding standard features that their competitors see lots of benefit from. For example, YouTube was years late to the 'channel memberships' game despite the popularity of Twitch and Patreon. YouTube still lacks many of the popular streaming features from Twitch, and only relatively recently got around to adding stuff like polls. I can't think of any feature in the past decade that was a YouTube innovation rather than an innovation from competitors that was copied over years later.
- tim333 11 months agoIt's still for me much more useable than the competitors. There have been quite a lot of features added in the 20 years - being able to choosse the viewing quality, variable playback speed, rapid transcription for subtitles, live video where if you join late you can start from the begining at 2x till it catches up. I still interenally curse if I'm made to watch video on a non youtube player as there's usually something that doesn't work. Youtube is often the only one to work ok on slow connections.
- johnnyanmac 11 months agoEven if the tech was better, the network effect has long taken place. Content creators get paid, and a few get paid enough to do it full time. They can't just jump to another platform and expect to maintain that, and without that the fans won't migrate either.
Mixer is one of the best examples of this. MSFT paid hundreds of millions for exclusivity for some of the most popular streamers and people complimented how it felt much smoother than Twitch. But that wasn't enough to get off the ground for MS. Youtube is an even bigger behemoth to tackle.
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- dylan604 11 months agoI've often wondered why YT hasn't released a subscription fee or donate type button where they could easily take a small nominal processing fee while removing the friction of forcing use of 3rd party services. Is liability from that kind of money movement too much for them to care with all of the much less risky money they are making?
- trogdor 11 months agoThey have both. Subscription fee is channel memberships, and donation is the “Thanks” button.
- johnnyanmac 11 months agoAs others said they have both now. Main issue is the same with any other kind of charity: most people won't do it so it's a neglible factor without incentive (which makes it cease to be a donation in my eyes).
But youtube's main services are free, so that's harder to pull off compared to stuff like Patreon. Offering exclusive videos probably doesn't outpace the ad revenue from "free" videos either (and if we're being frank, you're still bound to YT's rules. So you can't offer truly "extra" content free from censorship or copyright or whatnot.)
- sulam 11 months agoThey have Memberships now and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t have a donate button hidden away somewhere.
- hnburnsy 11 months agoIsn't you watching commercials and promotions your 'donation'?
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- maxglute 11 months agoYT could learn a lot from bilibili. They've slowly crawled their way to reasonable feature set over the years.
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- mrkramer 11 months ago>Opinions about YouTube may be mixed here on HN, but it is objectively one of the most successful businesses in tech or media to emerge in the past 15 years.
I was always critical of YouTube from the sort of technical perspective than just pure UX. The core product and the core UX are great and I'm even considering getting YouTube Premium because I use YouTube so much. All in all, YouTube was and still is internet phenomena and they definitely dominate internet video, imo one of the best internet product ever created.
- ChrisMarshallNY 11 months agoYouTube has worked well.
However, I did try their YT Premium, for a while, and was incredibly disappointed in their UI.
I assume that the Premium UI was designed for people that use their free tier, but is very strange, to folks like me, who come from other paid services.
But I am likely not their target audience. I suppose that YT Premium does well.
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- talldayo 11 months ago> and I'm even considering getting YouTube Premium
Why?
Serious question, too. You can sideload clients that give you every single feature of YouTube Premium for free. Unless you're expressly lazy, like being taken advantage of or enjoy watching advertisements, there's really no excuse. YouTube Premium is the "I'm trapped in this place and you people have finally gotten me" fee - you can circument it all together by just, not using YouTube's software. Newpipe is must-have on Android, I'm certain something similar exists for iOS. I run SmartTube on my dirt-cheap Amazon FireTV and don't get a single ad when browsing. Subtotal is $0.00 for the installation and usage of Open Source software.
I use YouTube a lot, but between uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock (which I set-and-forget like 4 years ago) I don't have a single gripe with the experience. I hear people contemplate paying YouTube for a worse experience and it gives me hives. The content is on a server; you are making yourself miserable by acquiescing to a harmful client. Paying for YouTube Premium is your eternal reward for submission to the Walled Garden.
- shufflerofrocks 11 months agoI use revanced, smarttube, and yt-dlp. but I also have premium, because it is an exceptional service.
It's about 2 things
1. the principle. You get something, you pay for it.
2. the practicality. Youtube cannot run on fumes. It needs to generate funds from somewhere
If everyone decides to not take premium, it only incentivises youtube to harvest your data for a profit (yes, they're already doing it but that's not the point). Premium immediately pays for the product, and provides Youtube with the cash to run it's servers and pay it's content creators.
Not to mention, premium is pretty darned good, provides almost all the features and functionality that are available through other clients.
- sulam 11 months agoWhy do I pick up trash off the floor that I didn’t put there? Why do I tip for good service? Why do I bother responding to posts like this?
The answer is the same to all these questions: because I’d rather not live in a world where everyone is a taker.
- tshaddox 11 months ago> Unless you're expressly lazy
Yes, that’s me. I sometimes even pay other people to prepare meals and manufacture clothing for me!
- kubectl_h 11 months ago> I run SmartTube on my dirt-cheap Amazon FireTV and don't get a single ad when browsing. Subtotal is $0.00 for the installation and usage of Open Source software.
I have YT Premium and it works perfectly on every device I have and I have never had to configure anything nor research anything to not see an ad. I only vaguely understand some of the phrases or words you are using (have no clue what a newpipe is, but kind of understand what sideloading) is. I do not care to ever fiddle with my devices, there are more important or at least gratifying things in this world then futzing around with and tweaking devices.
> Paying for YouTube Premium is your eternal reward for submission to the Walled Garden.
If this is the great battle you have chosen to wage with your precious, fleeting time on earth, by all means, go with God -- but a lot of people really don't give a damn about Walled Gardens.
- askafriend 11 months agoMy reasons are: it's a great product, it's very convenient, it's the service I watch the most content on, part of the money goes to creators and I'm not broke so I can afford it.
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- ghaff 11 months agoTo a fairly casual observer like myself, YouTube early on looked like mostly a platform for massive video copyright infringement--especially before home video became so relatively cheap and easy. I don't use it nearly as much as some here but it definitely transformed into something much different for the most part and managed to make it work as a business (at least as part of Google).
- ethbr1 11 months agoYounger folks forget that YouTube launched (2005) a few years before both the iPhone launched and Netflix pivoted to streaming (2007).
In that weird era, (a) average home Internet connections became fast enough to support streaming video (with a healthy adoption growth rate), (b) the most widely deployed home recording device was likely still the VCR (digitizing analog video from cable to burn to DVD was a pain), (c) there was no "on demand" anything, as most media flowed over centrally-programmed cable or broadcast subscriptions, and (d) people capturing video on mobile devices was rare (first gen iPhone couldn't) but obviously a future growth area.
So early YouTube was literally unlike anything that came before -- watch a thing you want, whenever you want.
- lawgimenez 11 months agoWow I just realized how old YouTube is. My video on YouTube was uploaded on 2006 and it is still there.
I remember uploading it from my Sony handcam, then editing it in Sony Vegas and exporting it to make sure it hits the required YT file upload limit.
- kylec 11 months agoThat was also an era where bandwidth to serve content was extremely expensive, I still don't know how 2005 YouTube was able to find a way to make serving user-uploaded videos for free financially viable, but that was a HUGE component of their success.
- treyd 11 months agoThe slogan "Broadcast Yourself" was really inspiring at the time, because it actually was kinda hard to do that at scale in video.
- Kye 11 months agoOn-demand was a thing before, but it was mediated through slow, glitchy cable and satellite boxes. There was also a thriving scene of RSS-delivered web TV shows.
- ghaff 11 months agoAnd Cisco didn't acquire Flip until 2009.
Really most of the content that YouTube had available was material recorded off of broadcast/cable which was mostly not available otherwise unless you had recorded it or gotten it off a torrent.
- -mlv 11 months agoEven cheap digital cameras back then could record video + audio.
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- coffeebeqn 11 months agoYeah I remember watching Seinfeld and full seasons of cartoons on early YouTube. People basically just uploaded their whole pirated video collections there
- marcuskane2 11 months agoTo a less casual observer like myself, early YouTube looked like a bastion of protection for fair use of copyrighted material.
Sadly, the copyright cartel swiftly attacked and all the regular people lost their rights. It seems like the lesson learned is that the copyright-owning corporations can't be trusted to play fairly or meet in the middle on fair use. We really need to just abolish copyright laws entirely.
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- georgel 11 months agoAgreed, I have gotten insane amount of value from YouTube.
- johnnyanmac 11 months agoI'll preface this with the most important part that cancer sucks and I wish it not even on my worst enemies. I hope Susan's family can find some peace.
>but it is objectively one of the most successful businesses in tech or media to emerge in the past 15 years. If it weren't buried inside Alphabet, Youtube would be worth on the order of $400 billion, more than Disney and Comcast combined.
it's very weird because "successful" doesn't mean "makes the most profit" here. It's undoubedtly a huge and challenging infrastructure to manage, but it apparently took Google over a decade to start being profitable. I don't know if that's some hollywood accounting or commodification to ads, but in many ways I feel like YT outspent the rest of the competition and in some ways stifled more efficient ways to deliver video content.
I feel a bit bad because it's clear YT has been turning the script for some time, and while Susan took a lot of that blame these wheels were turning long before she became CEO (and turn long after she stepped down). But that just shows why monopolies are bad. I do hope something better for creators takes over eventually.
- yas_hmaheshwari 11 months agoWell said! Having used almost all video learning platforms (Oreilly, skillshare, pluralsight, Coursera etc.), I now believe that YouTube is the superset of all platforms.
> Whatever is here, is found elsewhere. But what is not here, is nowhere
- yzydserd 11 months ago> I've probably watched tens of thousands of hours of YouTube at this point.
More than 20,000 hours over at most 18 years is at least 3 hours per day on average. That’s a lot of watching.
- loloquwowndueo 11 months agoThe average person spends 5 hours/day on their phone and it’s likely most of it is passive watching (YouTube, TikTok, etc). So 3 hours/day doesn’t sound like too much.
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- gloryjulio 11 months agoYouTube is how I got the education I needed to get into the tech industry.
- swalsh 11 months agoI think googles peering agreements are possibly the only reason YouTube is viable as a free service. Hard to compete against a company who basically doesn't have to pay for bandwidth.
- newshackr 11 months agoGoogle also invests many billions of dollars to build their internet network and parts of the public Internet so it is hardly free
- bushbaba 11 months agoEh close to free. This is the Google edge nodes in ISPs. But Google isn’t the only one with such an arrangement. Akamai, Netflix and a few others have same cost structure for in isp nodes.
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- sytelus 11 months agoYouTube is absolutely the business that is resting on laurels, just like Google Maps and Gmail. Sometime I wonder if these products have any real active development teams at all besides ads. YouTube massively screwed with users by forcing poorly executed botched migration to YouTube Music. Even outsiders can see that this was entirely internal Google politics which powerful people like Wojcicki should have been able to avoid but she didn't. It just makes me wonder if these billionaire leaders of Google products really care anymore about anything. There is visibly an utter lack of hunger at the top and these people clearly should have been spending more time with family leaving these products with more hungry minds. YouTube recommendations are crap and it's still amazing that in 2024 just clicking one video will fill up most of recommendations with same thing. It never got around to incentivize creators to produce concise content and to this day creators keep producing massive 30 min diatribe that could have been done in 3 mins. TikTok took full advantage of this but YouTube CEO just kept napping at the wheel. Ultimately, the original product mostly just kept going but the measure of success is not about retaining audience but what it could have been if there was an ambitious visionary leader at the helm.
- tsimionescu 11 months ago> It never got around to incentivize creators to produce concise content and to this day creators keep producing massive 30 min diatribe that could have been done in 3 mins.
Why on Earth would you want shorter videos? The best thing about YouTube is that it's one of the only places you can find quality medium-to-long-form content.
- Blot2882 11 months agoMaybe not what the commenter was saying, but there is a difference between great multi-hour essays and pointless rants stretching out their length to meet a minimum ad requirement. I like watching a lot of multi hour videos, but you can tell the difference between one with substance and one repeating the same thing over and over so they can "clock out."
That's all due to changes by YouTube to reward length and frequency, which of course makes sense for maximizing their ad revenue. But the result is creators are incentivized to pump out 20-minute fluff videos, not well edited/written videos.
People on here complain about SEO sites being filled with meaningless garbage. That's what YouTube is starting to be. The difference is their search bar still works whereas Google's will only give you the garbage. Though I still get "such and such breaks down their career" even though I've never clicked on that.
- sytelus 11 months agoWhy on earth you want 10X longer video with same information content as the shorter video?
- SoftTalker 11 months agoYouTube videos were originally limited to 5 or 10 minutes I think. And probably 480p or so. You have to remember when it started, video on mobile didn't exist and there was absolutely no bandwidth for it. So people watching YouTube were watching it on their PC, probably with a 1024x768 CRT screen, and that's assuming they had something faster than dial-up internet.
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- xnx 11 months agoThe way YouTube was caught offguard by TikTok is even more significant than than the way Google was caught offguard by ChatGPT.
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- latexr 11 months ago> objectively
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
What makes a business successful and what makes a good product are both highly subjective.
- lasc4r 11 months agoMy dad uses it to get fascist/right-wing propaganda for about 4 hours every night. All nicely monetized for any grifter willing to debase themselves for a potential fortune. Truly novel, but not well thought through or done with any care at all besides profits which is par for the course in silicon valley.
- tourmalinetaco 11 months agoYour idea of fascism must be rather tame, considering YouTube’s active censorship of anything even slightly right-of-center.
- lasc4r 11 months agoIt hardly needs to be violently racist or whatever conception you have in your mind to be fascist propaganda. Rather the opposite if you take a minute to consider what makes for effective propaganda.
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- vsuperpower2021 11 months agoTech companies should spend more time banning people from talking about things I would personally prefer they didn't.
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- AmericanChopper 11 months ago> It's also not a business that rested on it's laurels.
I would say it’s more a business that rests on its monopolization of the market. As a product there’s plenty I like about YouTube, but it dominated the market through the use of many highly anti-competitive strategies, and has what many would consider (and what may well be proven to be) an illegal monopoly.
You can’t deny its impact, but to give such high praise to the management seems rather misguided to me.
- edanm 11 months agoIn what way is YouTube an illegal monopoly?
- AmericanChopper 11 months agoAlphabet has engaged in many anti-competitive business practices to promote YouTube's monopoly.
To name a few, Alphabet is currently being sued by the DoJ for illegally monopolising digital advertising technology. That technology, which directly integrates with youtube (and which you or I could not integrate with our own competing youtube-like product), is one of the key reasons that youtube has become as successful as it is.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl...
They have also recently lost a lawsuit regarding the legality of their search monopoly, which likely also contributed to the success of youtube.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24155520/judge-rules-on-us...
The way they leverage the OHA to ensure YouTube is shipped with every Android phone is also highly anti-competitive, and isn't too different from the IE case against Microsoft.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...
The same concern exists in the smart TV market.
While it's not illegal (as far as I know), the practice of burning through billions of dollars until your competitors are gone and you have an unassailable market dominance is also certainly anti-competitive, and that really has been one of the other key ingredients in youtube's success.
None of these are management practices that I would consider worthy of congratulating.
- supertrope 11 months agoLeveraging YouTube's market share to hobble Windows Phone. https://www.pcmag.com/news/google-orders-microsoft-to-remove...
Carriage dispute with Roku. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/roku-reaches-agreement-with-...
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- zht 11 months agoI hope that when I die no one spends so much focus on the business aspects of what I built or the valuations
- sramam 11 months agoDoesn't that depend on what context a person knew you at - personal or professional?
The personal side typically will center on emotional aspects of being human. However what you do with your intellect is also a major part of being human. And that part is most often expressed only in our professional lives.
Celebrating a job well done and an outsized impact is a good thing - and if I may, the most "human" of things to do?
RIP.
- katzinsky 11 months agoHN is essentially a business development forum so it makes sense that's what people here would focus on.
- Blot2882 11 months agoIt's also a science forum and a tech forum.
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- layer8 11 months agoLuckily, you will never know, so I wouldn’t place much weight on it.
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- TMWNN 11 months ago>Opinions about YouTube may be mixed here on HN
Who? Who has a negative opinion about YouTube? The occasional "My kids watch too much of it" != "mixed opinions" about the site in general.
- pavlov 11 months agoYouTube’s algorithm feeds increasingly radicalizing content to young people. It makes celebrities of people like Andrew Tate and is a primary enabler of fringe belief bubbles.
Any time someone posts a YouTube link to a political discussion, it’s guaranteed to be the worst nonsense that pries on people who “do their own research.” (No matter if they’re left or right on the political spectrum, there’s endless junk on YouTube for both.)
There’s surely good stuff on YouTube, but as a parent I honestly wouldn’t miss it if it disappeared overnight.
- kbolino 11 months agoAs targeted towards young people, YouTube's algorithm serves up a lot more Mr. Beast than Andrew Tate.
- lotsofpulp 11 months agoThat is not an “algorithm” unique to YouTube. See 24/7 news channels for a much earlier example. It is simply the nature of loosening standards on broadly available media, and throughout history, even strict standards have not always prevented the “bad” stuff from getting through.
- gspetr 11 months ago> It makes celebrities of people like Andrew Tate
Legacy Media made celebrities out of people far worse than Tate decades before Youtube: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mesrine
Media's propensity to do so has been lampooned before as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Killers
Tagline: "Media made them superstars"
> and is a primary enabler of fringe belief bubbles.
Oh? It's not like anyone's ever seen conspiracy theory programs on TV before Youtube. Heck, if someone re-rendered some of those with AI to use Alex Jones' voice, even his viewers might not be able to tell the difference.
- jart 11 months ago> It makes celebrities of people like Andrew Tate
By banning Indian school children and sucking the oxygen out of competing influences like Pewdiepie.
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- xanderlewis 11 months agoA lot of YouTubers have been very critical of YouTube’s approach to things and treatment of creators in the past.
Also, just as an example, YouTube demonetises (and therefore effectively punishes) you for using words like ‘suicide’ so now we have to say silly things like ‘unalive’ — at least until Google/the advertisers catch on. These days YouTube is more censored than traditional TV.
- Aunche 11 months agoYouTube doesn't print money out of thin air. They make money by making advertisers happy, and advertisers will only buy ads if their customers are happy. This isn't anything new either. Creatives have always been beholden to censorship boards in traditional media too, which are typically much stricter. The fact that you so many YouTubers make money from criticizing YouTube is evidence of how much YouTubers don't understand their own privilege.
- mewpmewp2 11 months agoDemonetisation is not the same as censoring though.
- throw0101d 11 months ago> These days YouTube is more censored than traditional TV.
This is evident in (e.g.) WW2 documentaries where an old 4:3 television broadcast is simply put online, and the original footage had perhaps footage of corpses but on Youtube it is blurred.
- TMWNN 11 months agoI think the "unalive" nonsense is idiotic too, especially when it increasingly bleeds into elsewhere online (and probably offline, too). But that's not the same thing as "mixed opinions" in general on HN. That would be more accurate of, say, Twitter (where we are nearing two years and counting of the imminent collapse of the site any day now post-Musk acquisition, as opposed to seemingly every news event proving that it is more important than ever).
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- mihular 11 months agoMy complaint is that there isn't a family subscription option in my country. Also without Music. It's either personal with Music or damn annoying commercials. Another complaint would be non transparent and sometimes wrong censorship.
- cheeseomlit 11 months agoI like a lot of content hosted on YouTube but that doesn't mean I like YouTube, especially under Google.
- CPLX 11 months agoThe fact that it’s a linchpin component of an illegal monopoly is one good reason.
- briandear 11 months agoGovernment-coordinated censorship during Covid. That’s my negative opinion.
Covid vax concerns were allowed during the last months of the Trump administration, but it suddenly became censored after Biden was elected.
- pavlov 11 months agoThe timeline of the election coincides with the development of the vaccines.
Moderna reported positive phase 3 trial results in November 2020. FDA’s review was completed in December and an emergency authorization was granted. The full trial results were published in medical journals a few months later, around the same time as Biden entered office.
So maybe it had nothing to do with Trump/Biden and simply was a reaction by YouTube to the proven efficacy of the new vaccines.
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- paxys 11 months agoPeople of course associate her with YouTube, but Susan Wojcicki has had an overall fascinating career.
Page and Brin started Google in her garage. She was employee #16 at the company. She was behind the Google logo, Google Doodles, Image Search, AdSense, then all of advertising, and ultimately YouTube.
Safe to say Google would not be where it is today without her role. RIP.
- igetspam 11 months agoI personally wouldn't be where I am without her. Google wasn't my first job but it was the first one that mattered and I was there pretty early (2004). The founding team set Google up for success. The tech was obviously key but you can still ruin good tech by running a bad business. She earned her success, multiple times and I have a deep appreciation for what she did and what she was part of. It's a sad day, for sure.
- constantban 11 months ago> Safe to say Google would not be where it is today without her role. RIP.
So she made some of the most user-hostile, internet-ruining products and created one of the most evil companies currently active? Great obituary going on there. With apologies to the people grieving her, she is basically 2024 Thomas Midgley Jr.
- redeuxx 10 months agoThank you for your opinion.
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- cmrdporcupine 11 months agoYeah it's interesting to see the press and others really pushing on the YouTube thing when it is AdSense that made Google what it was and is still today. An advertising revenue money machine. And it was in many ways her baby.
- strikelaserclaw 11 months agoI always wonder how many people could have replicated similar successes if put in similar positions and i always feel like it is a lot. Like i can't imagine you taking someone from the same time period as newton or einstein and replacing them and seeing similar success but in a rich environment surrounded with bright people like early google, i feel like just being early to google is enough to guarantee that you'll have some good ideas. Using advertising to make money has always existed that is what tv channels and magazines did for a long time before the internet, i'm sure google would have been just as successful without google doodles or put another way - google's success allowed it to be whacky and not vice versa.
- hahamaster 11 months agoYou're very wrong. Most people put in her position would be a disaster and they would either leave quickly or would be kicked out. Lots of people at Google left or were fired because they were crap, and they were definitely not randomly picked up from the street. She stayed and wasn't fired and that's because she was of the highest caliber.
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- CSMastermind 11 months agoFYI Sundar Pichai posted a tribute: https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1822132667959386588
> Unbelievably saddened by the loss of my dear friend @SusanWojcicki after two years of living with cancer. She is as core to the history of Google as anyone, and it’s hard to imagine the world without her. She was an incredible person, leader and friend who had a tremendous impact on the world and I’m one of countless Googlers who is better for knowing her. We will miss her dearly. Our thoughts with her family. RIP Susan.
I'll say personally it's tragic to see someone like this pass in their 50s. Given Susan's impact on both Google as a whole and more specifically YouTube it's no understatement to say that she changed the world profoundly.
I don't think that YouTube, in its current form, or the creator economy that it produced, would exist in anywhere near the same shape had Google not acquired and then spent years funding the company at a financial loss.
- xbmcuser 11 months agoShe had a huge impact on YouTube and with it the world as I personally feel YouTube has become one of the largest resource of information on how to do almost anything for the newer generations as well as for people that had no access because they could not read. And as ai translation get better the impact on billions of people will be huge.
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- grandmczeb 11 months ago> Unbelievably saddened by the loss of my dear friend @SusanWojcicki after two years of living with cancer. She is as core to the history of Google as anyone, and it’s hard to imagine the world without her. She was an incredible person, leader and friend who had a tremendous impact on the world and I’m one of countless Googlers who is better for knowing her. We will miss her dearly. Our thoughts with her family. RIP Susan.
Posted by Sundar Pichai.
- akchin 11 months agoThis sucks. I was at Google many years back and I remember her to be an awesome product leader. In fact even though I was another org, she was helpful and really helped me and our team.
- pas 11 months agoexcuse me for this offtopic (?) tangent, but can you please expand on what does being a good/amazing product leader mean? every kind of context helps, as I have no experience working inside these huge super-successful corps. thanks!
- gretch 11 months agoMakes insightful directives on what to put in as the core value of a product. When you are making stuff that the world really hasn’t seen before, it’s really hard to know what people want, as they often can’t tell you directly.
I’m not familiar with Susan’s work directly, but for example, it’s widely accepted that YT has the best revenue share and payout for its creators compared to competitors like twitch or TikTok.
Someone has to really sit down and figure out how getting paid for making internet videos works. It didn’t exist before.
Also great product leaders give team members principles and tools to work with (like metrics), so they don’t need to micromanage every decision, and the product can still be cohesive.
- richrichie 11 months agoFeel good adjectives.
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- DanielleMolloy 11 months agoRIP. Her son just died early this year, from a drug overdose.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/05/31/marco-t...
- sva_ 11 months ago> Troper's autopsy found high concentrations of cocaine, amphetamine, alprazolam (Xanax),
What a strange mix.
- s1artibartfast 11 months agoThe amphetamine is almost assuredly from the cocaine, so that just means they were doing coke and Xanax.
Xanax as a party drug is just strange in general.
- coffeebeqn 11 months agoMaybe it was the end of the night? People take benzos to calm down and/or sleep. And I guess some people to just feel like zombies
- fsckboy 11 months agoperhaps he took prescription xanax on the regular, and, feeling anxiety, popped some
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- orionsbelt 11 months agoDepends on the half life and concentrations.
Daily adderal RX for ADHD or studying. Coke at night to party. Xanax at end of night to come down from the uppers and try to sleep. That mix is pretty common.
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- kamikaz1k 11 months agoWere they being sarcastic? Why is it funny/not? Thank you
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- postatic 11 months agoWe argue about agile processes, front end frameworks, languages, microservices, revenues, fundings, options, shares, hustles and all and at the end of the day we return back to the earth.
- silisili 11 months agoThe thought helps ground me(no pun intended), whether during aforementioned battles at work or worrying over something in life.
Not really religious, but always liked the short line
'For dust you are, and to dust you shall return'
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- nsoonhui 11 months agoHer sister, Anne, is the ex spouse of Google founder Brin, and 23andme cofounder.
- guywithahat 11 months agoI can’t get the link to load, but here’s Pichai’s take:
> Unbelievably saddened by the loss of my dear friend @SusanWojcicki after two years of living with cancer. She is as core to the history of Google as anyone, and it’s hard to imagine the world without her. She was an incredible person, leader and friend who had a tremendous impact on the world and I’m one of countless Googlers who is better for knowing her. We will miss her dearly. Our thoughts with her family. RIP Susan.
- whyenot 11 months agoI went to school with her starting in elementary school on the Stanford campus through high school at Gunn.
My mom was one of her teachers and just told me “this is so sad, she was such a beautiful kid. She went on to do amazing things.”
Yes, she did.
- danjl 11 months agoSusan lived four houses away from me on Tolman Dr.and I remember walking to Nixon elementary school carrying our instruments for music on Thursdays. Such a rough final year and such a wonderful life. RIP
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- tills13 11 months agoHumbling that you can literally have it all and still not even make it to 60.
- georgel 11 months agoThis is a very sad day. For her to also lose her son in February too.
- NelsonMinar 11 months agoI admired Susan in the early days, long before Youtube. She did a remarkable job earning respect and leadership roles in a company that mostly only valued engineers. Also she was kind and humane in a way that was not entirely common at the company.
- LZ_Khan 11 months agoWow. Terribly sad series of events for that family. Life is not fair.
- deadbabe 11 months agoCrazy how so many young people are just dying of cancer these days.
- sumedh 11 months agoYou are getting aware of it more due to social media.
- shortrounddev2 11 months agoNo, there is a rise in colon cancer among people in their 20s and 30s, and scientists are saying it's probably ultra processed foods
- MajimasEyepatch 11 months agoOverall, the incidence of cancer in the US among people under the age of 50 rose from 95.6 per 100,000 to 103.8 from 2000 to 2021.[ Colon cancer is one of the biggest drivers, but there are also a few others like kidney and thyroid that have seen big increases. Some of this, like thyroid cancer, might just be due to better detection of smaller, less serious cases. Fortunately, there are also some positive trends, like much lower rates of lung cancer (due to less smoking and cleaner air, presumably) and a decline in melanoma (skin) cancer after an increase in the early-to-mid 2000s (related to the rise and fall of tanning salons, I assume).
https://seer.cancer.gov/statistics-network/explorer/applicat...
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- halfmatthalfcat 11 months agoOh brother.
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- rchaud 11 months agoShe was the same age as Steve Jobs when he passed.
- robertoandred 11 months ago56 isn't young.
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- jasonvorhe 11 months agoCrazy, right?
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- chubot 11 months agoI always thought it was cool that Google started in her garage in Menlo Park. Too young to be gone :-(
- mrkramer 11 months agoSuch a devastating news from the human therefore emotional perspective; just 6 months after her freshman son overdosed, now she is gone too. I hope they will be reunited in the afterlife.
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- CoastalCoder 11 months agoI'm not a Christian, but IIUC (apologies if I get this wrong):
They hold that none of us can ever be good enough for God's standards. That's why Jesus' atoning sacrifice is such a big deal.
So pick the person you hold in highest regard, and they're still too sinful to merit eternal life. And pick the worst person you can imagine, and Jesus' sacrifice is enough to cover them too.
- mrkramer 11 months agoYea, God will judge her because she banned XY content or whatever....Google is liberal company which operates in the capitalistic liberal democratic USA and that's how YouTube is run. It's very hard to balance the freedom of speech and the artistic expression or whatever else you want to balance, there is no silver bullet.
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- broknbottle 11 months agowhoa, I believe her son also passed away like ~5 months ago.
- rottencupcakes 11 months agoAn accidental drug overdose on campus at UC Berkeley.
One wonders if his mom having terminal cancer was a factor in his overdoing it.
And I cannot imagine how news like that would hit a mother with cancer, when the only thing left for her is legacy.
Truly tragic.
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- underdeserver 11 months agoDon't be so quick to judge. Your mother dying of cancer at such a young age is hard. Everyone deals with it their own way.
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- Xenoamorphous 11 months agoYes just read that in Wikipedia. Really sad.
- jjallen 11 months agoYeah super sad recent events in the family. Reminds me that no matter how much money you have life can still hit us hard.
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- rishabhjain1198 11 months agoRest in peace. A true SV legend.
- LoveMortuus 11 months agoRest in peace Susan
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- danielktdoranie 11 months agoCan’t say I will miss her. She was a tyrant who bragged about shutting down free speech and censoring people she did not agree with, the standard communist tactic of controlling language.
- carabiner 11 months agoOne thing I've heard is that before age 40, people die of trauma or suicide. After age 40, people, including the healthy, just starting dying of everything.
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- rldjbpin 11 months agoas a "youtuber" (yet to paid for their videos), SW was from my memory the only public leadership face of youtube. being ignorant to her role in the parent company, i like many directed all of our frustrations of the platform at her.
definitely miss that now after the switch back to the faceless leadership, and saddened by the loss. condolences to the family.
- bushbaba 11 months agoSusan not only built up YouTube but also the community around her. She will be missed but not forgotten
- langsoul-com 11 months agoInteresting how it's a threads link, and how it loads infinitely faster than Twitter
- kylehotchkiss 11 months agoRegardless of how people feel about it, Meta/FB is sure putting a lot of resources into it and it seems like it's growing even on people who didn't do a text-first social network in the past.
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- momoschili 11 months agowhat a tragedy... I can't think of many sites with the impact that YouTube has had, especially during her tenure as the lead.
lung cancer as well, I don't think she was a smoker so what a bad stroke of luck.
- oyebenny 11 months agoShe is internet history.
- wslh 11 months agoMore familiar information about her and her successful family [1]. The book is available here [2] (the Kindle version is more expensive than the physical book editions though).
Interesting to mention about the Polgar sisters again [3].
Z''L.
[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-godmother-of-silicon-va...
[2] https://www.amazon.com/How-Raise-Successful-People-Lessons/d...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Polg%C3%A1r
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- 00_hum 11 months agoit looks like she resigned as soon as she got cancer. crazy that it ended in such a similar way to so many ordinary people
- bsimpson 11 months agoSame age as Steve Jobs when he died.
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- omot 11 months agoare we not going to put a black bar on HN for her?
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- snake_doc 11 months agoTragic loss to the world
- orionblastar 11 months agoRIP she will be missed.
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- sgammon 11 months agoWow. Way too soon :(
- talldatethrow 11 months agoRumble and X posts are gloating that she blocked/delisted anti covid vaccine videos on YouTube, and then gets cancer, something the videos tried to warn people of related to vaccines.
I'm not sure what to say about that anymore.
- seydor 11 months agojust say that there are a lot of idiots in the world
- talldatethrow 11 months agoOn both sides probably. One side exaggerates statistics to make their point, and the other wishfully accepts unproven statements to feel better.
I've taken basically all vaccines ever recommended while growing up and traveling, but to say that the covid vaccine was "safe and effective" a year after coming out was a crazy stretch. Why couldn't they just say "we didn't have time to do long term studies, but we think it's fine and worth the risks"? But to say it's safe was a lie IMO and lost the vaccine side a lot of credibility.
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- Balgair 11 months agoShe was someone who left a huge mark on my life. Though not in the forefront, but in the backend, so to speak.
Fuck cancer.
- valid4life 11 months agoR.I.P. - too soon.
- daveed 11 months agoI'm not a Googler, but would still ask commenters to show some respect for the person who died, and save your opinions about youtube for another day.
- kubb 11 months agoI’d take it as a time to reflect that no matter how much profit you make, people will remember you for what you’ve accomplished. Think about that when you get to your coveted position of power in the industry.
- toomuchtodo 11 months agoThose people won’t matter. Your loved ones do and will though, and they won’t measure you by your accomplishments and net worth.
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- asah 11 months agoIn particular, Susan was a lovely soul and specifically deserves all of our respect.
If you want to hate, then hate the game, not the player (especially in this case).
- vintermann 11 months agoI'm sure she was, but I did not personally know her and I'm pretty sure few others here did as well. It's newsworthy for what she was, her role, not really for who she was as a person.
I certainly wouldn't mind reading some personal eulogies about what a great mentor her was etc., or about how she influenced your life with her work even if you didn't know her.
But I also don't mind reading critical posts about the role she played, I think that's part of the picture for someone who's famous as a business leader. If people weren't willing to speak freely about the dead, we wouldn't have had the Nobel prizes.
- somenameforme 11 months agoThis saying never made sense to me as a game is only a game if there are players.
- matwood 11 months agoA good example is taxes. Many people think the 'rich', including the rich, should pay more. Every tax form in the US has a spot where you are free to write in a larger amount to send, but I wonder how many actually do? Unless the game ends collectively, it doesn't make sense to stop playing. I will continue to pay as little taxes as possible until the game is changed.
- lotsofpulp 11 months agoThe point of the saying is that the player is not necessarily in position to change the rules, or at least not in the immediate short term. How far one wants to accept this as acceptable reasoning is a subjective matter.
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- briandear 11 months agoShe censored things because of politics. That’s not “lovely.”
YouTube has videos on the dangers of GMO crops, despite the scientific consensus for their safety and utility.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8959534/#cit000...
YouTube has plenty of videos about electromagnetic sensitivity about which the WHO says: “EHS has no clear diagnostic criteria and there is no scientific basis to link EHS symptoms to EMF exposure.”
https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...
And more stupidity: “Eating these foods kills cancer”
https://youtu.be/WGbFnp56csg?si=t54Pcr3uqjrXRx9f
“12 foods that can fight and cure cancer”
https://youtu.be/FdlKCpEzSAE?si=J6rtKs6valWnamBP
Interview with Robert DeNiro 8 years about his concerns about vaccines and autism and his doubts about the vaccine effectiveness statistics.
https://youtu.be/FJ7iPn39i08?si=mRYD3a3y9HdMPMQ8
Covid censorship was political and not from some altruistic “goodness.”
And YouTube experienced very significant growth during the pandemic. So that “lovely” soul was profiting because of the lockdowns. Lockdowns that were possible due to fear and a lack of any permissible public debate — partially thanks to YouTube. Would lockdowns have ended sooner if there was more debate on the topic allowed? Definitely. What about school closures? Absolutely. But videos debating these things weren’t allowed.
So no, the game and the player in this case are one and the same. I’m not going to respect anyone that supported lockdowns or supported suppressing scientific debate. Curating opinion (and facts) while pretending to not to isn’t worthy of respect.
And, YouTube still allows those addictive kid videos where the narrator says “If you love your parents, like and subscribe. If you don’t love your parents, don’t like and subscribe.”
- nailer 11 months agoThe people in this thread and elsewhere online are generally arguing that she was not a lovely soul.
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- sneak 11 months agoWhen is there a better time to discuss the works of a famous person than when they are in the news?
- peterfirefly 11 months agoI associate her with censorship. Should I respect her for that?
- hungie 11 months agoWhy? If a person has done measurable harm to you, and your community, why is it not acceptable to say, "this person's legacy was one of harm. They chose to hurt vulnerable people"?
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- tomohelix 11 months agoMaybe I am a callous person, but I have never agreed to this "don't speak ill of the dead" thing.
People live and die. It is inevitable. To the grieving family, I can understand why refraining from insulting the dearly departed is necessary. They are grieving and can be irrational. No need to make things worse for them.
But between unrelated people? Why can't I discuss the legacy of the dead? We are defined by our deeds in life. It is only natural that in death, people will talk and opine about what we have done. Nothing wrong with it.
- cowsup 11 months agoI feel like there's an unwritten "recently" in there. If you were to speak ill of Colonel Sanders, nobody would berate you for speaking ill of the dead. But when a CEO like Wojcicki, who made changes that were unpopular to the end-users (but helped turn YouTube into an actual profitable company) dies, it's considered very impolite to use that opportunity to bad-mouth decisions she made. When her son died earlier this year, that would've been a bad time to speak ill of her, as well, even though she herself was still alive.
A better phrase may be "Don't say things that will hurt the feelings of those who are grieving," but that doesn't roll off the tongue so easily.
- zarzavat 11 months agoShe was a public figure. If millions of people around the world know your name then when you die, people will have things to say. Some will be good, some will be bad.
The custom about “not speaking ill of the dead” makes sense in a small IRL community, not for internationally famous people.
- meiraleal 11 months ago> "Don't say things that will hurt the feelings of those who are grieving"
I for one would prefer "don't get attached to evil people"
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- DannyBee 11 months ago"We are defined by our deeds in life"
We are but most folks here basically know nothing of her deeds, or really anything about her. They see one piece of a thing she was a face of for some time period, and that they also knew mostly nothing about, but appear to love to have strong opinions on!
If you want to speak of her deeds then go and learn about them. Otherwise, people aren't speaking of anything other than some small myopic view of a human being they knew nothing about. Folks don't get to say that she is defined by the small piece of stuff they saw, just because they want to have an opinion on it.
Besides being disrespectful, it's not even interesting, and it says more about the people doing it than the person they are talking about.
It's like saying you are defined by the small and short interactions you had with grocery store cashiers who happen to like to post about their experiences with you on the internet and nothing else.
- sigmar 11 months ago>But between unrelated people? Why can't I discuss the legacy of the dead? We are defined by our deeds in life. It is only natural that in death, people will talk and opine about what we have done. Nothing wrong with it.
unless you have a magical way to make your comment here invisible to her family and friends, posting it to the internet is not keeping the comment exclusively "between unrelated people." Many of those replies to Pichai are vile.
- dotnet00 11 months agoAgreed, I don't get it either. I also wonder how many people saying this sort of thing expressed the same sentiment when someone they had a strong dislike of passed or had a close brush with death.
We've had many such incidents over the recent years and at least in my anecdotal observations, people do not consistently apply this.
- somenameforme 11 months agoSocrates never wrote a single thing down and was, somewhat ironically, opposed to writing. The reason is that he felt that words cannot defend themselves. They can be twisted, taken out of context, and misrepresented, with none there to defend them, provide that missing context, or what not. Fortunately his student Plato disagreed so here we can discuss him 2400 years after his death.
With a dead person, I think this logic holds to an even higher degree. Personally I'm not really sure whether I agree or disagree with it, but it seems pretty reasonable, especially if we don't hyperbolically immediately leap to absurdly extreme examples like Hitler or whatever.
- matrix87 11 months ago> Maybe I am a callous person, but I have never agreed to this "don't speak ill of the dead" thing.
If they're rich and powerful who cares... here's John Oliver's reaction to Kissinger dying [0]... tl;dr "not soon enough"
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- meiraleal 11 months agoYou know that Google has an intranet, right? The CEO of a division that extracts rent from almost every living person doesn't deserve more respect than a homeless person in SF
- polotics 11 months agoOn a 1-10 scale of nefariousness, I would classify Youtube as pretty low, it's a manageable addiction and with a little bit of self control the videos you watch will be worthwhile. I am a subscriber. Then there is Youtube Kids, and whoever worked on that deserves a 9, and good bye.
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- surgical_fire 11 months agoI have no dog in this game - literally no opinion on what kind of person she was.
I use YouTube, even though I don't particularly like it, much like every other Google product. Not sure how much of what I dislike on YouTube is her fault or not,and it doesn't really matter anyway. It is not like I hold any hopes of YouTube becoming any better now.
But I find this kind of comment curious. Someone noteworthy and controversial dies, critical comments are sure to follow.
Happened when people such as Kissinger or Chomsky died. No one was saying "show some respect to the person who died, save your opinions for another day". It would be fairly ridiculous to say so.
- meiraleal 11 months agoDon't kill Chomsky, he is still alive
- surgical_fire 11 months agoOh lol. I thought he was dead.
The point still stands
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- yyyfb 11 months agoNext time you're thinking "I wish I was the one who had made a billion dollars with my startup idea", remember that only health and family matter, and to have fun while you're alive. RIP.
Edit: some people misinterpreted my comment. I'm just one anonymous voice on the Internet, but am deeply saddened by the passing of Susan Wojcicki, who meant a lot to me as one of the many people who crossed paths with her professionally. I wish her family strength in a very trying moment. She did not deserve this. I've not met another business leader demonstrate everyday kindness to the degree that she did.
Her untimely passing is also a reminder to those of us who sometimes look up to such successful businesspeople that we should all appreciate our luck to be alive and enjoy it to the fullest, as I hope that she did as well, and as I'm sure that she'd prefer we did. RIP
- santiagobasulto 11 months agoThis has nothing to do with business or entrepreneurship. It's cancer, it's a bitch. It can take a 10 year old boy, or an elite athlete.
- jszymborski 11 months agoI took that to be OPs point in a way. Death comes to us all, rich and poor. True wealth is your good health and the relationships it lets you foster.
- toomuchtodo 11 months agoAbsolutely this.
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- troll_v_bridge 11 months agoYou can’t really say it does or doesn’t. Research shows stress can be a contributor though.
https://med.stanford.edu/survivingcancer/cancer-and-stress/s....
- cpncrunch 11 months agoMain factors are sleep, sunlight, diet and exercise as well as stress. You can see her schedule here:
https://press.farm/susan-wojcickis-daily-routine-youtubes-ce...
Sleep about 6hr, which isnt ideal. Not much chance to get sunlight which significantly reduces cancer incidence. Not much relaxing time.
The question becomes, is the work worth it?
- amelius 11 months agoBeing on the wrong side of the wealth-gap can also induce stress ...
- roenxi 11 months agoWell, yeah. For the sort of people who have "Title: CEO" on their Wikipedia page I suspect we're overdrawing from the pool of people where mission implicitly matters a little more than taking it easy. One way or the other you're going to die, but if your response to that is to relax and try to eke out a few years by keeping your stress down then CEOing is probably not for you.
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- magic_man 11 months agoBut it is more likely when you are old. It is you your immune system unable to kill mutations.
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- chr1 11 months agoHealth is only temporary, and everyone in your family is going to die, until someone makes a trillion dollar startup to cure aging. So it is fundamentally wrong to put health, family, and work as things opposing each other, ultimately they are all needed on a way to get all of the galaxy filled with life. And as Susan have shown one can both do great work, and have a big family with 5 children.
- RobertDeNiro 11 months agoHigh levels of stress (often related to work) have been shown to impact health. So I think it’s a fair thing to oppose them.
- boringg 11 months agoIsn't that person and stress source dependent. Also working until late in life actually improves mental acuity and fights off dementia.
So maybe work but not in excessively high stress loads is your point?
Though i think your implied underlying assumption that because she was a leader in tech and under a high workload somehow caused this is unfounded and unnecessary.
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- melling 11 months agoCure aging? We could relieve a lot of pain in the world by just curing cancer(s), or at least make them treatable like HIV.
Jake died yesterday. I don’t even think he was 40 years old.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41201555
Susan was only 56.
Let’s at least give everyone a chance at a full life.
- mewpmewp2 11 months agoYeah, but magnitude wise it doesn't seem like a huge difference of 56 vs 90. 56 to me now looks way early, but I assume when I get 70 then I start to think that 90 looks way too early. When I was 10 years old, 56 seemed miles away though. So there's always going to be this problem. Especially since supposedly the older you get the faster time seems to go. So the fact that I and we are all going to die at some point not too far away is still something that is constantly in the back of the mind and frequently on the front.
E.g. compared to being able to live more than 1,000 years or forever and with body in its prime condition recovery etc wise. E.g. having a 25 year old body for 1,000+ years.
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- yyyfb 11 months agoIt's not about them opposing each other, it's about priorities.
- theGnuMe 11 months agoLiving in poverty and Being broke is stressful too. Living in a shit family as well.
- coffeebeqn 11 months agoYes the upside of being rich and stressed is that it’s all your choice. You could retire at any moment if you wished to
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- badpun 11 months agoWhy it's a good idea to fill galaxy with life? Why should we care about it? Also, seeing that our current civilization-system is already at the brink of catastrophe, we should focus on less ambitious goals, such as preserving life on Earth.
- chr1 11 months ago1. I don't want my children to die. And i don't want all the life on earth to be eliminated by a random asteroid.
2. Imagine two planets, people on one of them believe that expanding is the moral imperative, and the other want stay where they are. Eventually the people from the first planet will be technologically as far away from the people on first planet, as we are from people on Sentinel island. And therefore will be completely reliant on goodwill first people.
3. The only way to preserve life on earth is to develop space technology, once we have sufficient industry in space, controlling whether on earth will be a simple task, trivially solving climate change issue.
- boringg 11 months agoAbsolutely worth it. We wont fill the galaxy filled with life because the galaxy is huge and we are but one tiny tiny portion of it. For us to survive and do anything impressive takes all of human ingenuity.
Also those two items aren't mutually exclusive. Both can and should happen in tandem. Anyone arguing otherwise is just a mentally lazy person.
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- Cookingboy 11 months agoAs far as net worth figure goes your health is the first significant digit, everything else come after.
- ithkuil 11 months ago> first significant digit
Big endian
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- wslh 11 months agoYour message is very powerful, for the good, and I think people nowadays are used to extremes instead of the balance when they read something like your comment.
- noncoml 11 months agoThat’s BS.
Yes, both rich and poor die of cancer.
But being rich or even just comfortable gives you a completely different experience during the end of life.
You can afford to quit your job and be with your friends and family.
You can afford to see that best doctors that will ensure you have as comfortable as possible end of life.
Your kids can afford to take a sabbatical to come spend time with you.
You can be sure that no matter what your kids will be financially secure.
You know that you got the absolute best care that you could.
The list goes on.
Cancer is horrible and everyone who loses someone hurts the same. But you absolutely cannot keep saying that being poor and rich doesn’t make a difference during the progress of this awful disease.
Only someone who has never been poor would ever say that.
- jart 11 months agoIf you're poor you won't even officially have cancer, because no one will diagnose you, since then you'd be entitled to services. Someone who's actually been poor would understand this.
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- p3rls 11 months agoEh, I made 75k on my IRS forms last year and don't have health insurance. The poor people I know all have way better access to treatment through medicare/medicaid and various subsidies, and all use the medical system multiple times a year while I look up videos on YouTube (thanks susan!) to learn how to perform minor surgeries on myself
When my mother died of cancer (also in her 50s, still working as a public teacher in NYC so should have had great insurance for this) the hospital went after the estate with a million dollar bill. I couldn't even afford a lawyer to contest it at the time and ended up not inheriting anything except what I could take out of the house.
The only people with good outcomes are the rich who can afford it, and the poor who couldn't afford anything yet are still being treated because other tax payers are paying into this system.
- somenameforme 11 months agoLots (if not all?) of hospitals offer free care options for patients in poverty. I grew up poor and had a family member who was able to be diagnosed, for free, a university clinic that offered free care, and then was able to receive free care through a program offered at one of top 5 ranked cancer systems in the US. Although the premium quality wasn't even that big of a deal. The overwhelming majority of care can be provided pretty much anywhere. It's not like a premium hospital offers super chemo or super radiation. The treatment is what it is, and all the money in the world isn't going to significantly change your odds of survival relative to basic treatment provided at any clinic anywhere.
The US healthcare system is broken beyond belief, and I do think there is some degree of managerial sociopathy around profit (particularly in the pharmaceutical and insurance wings), but by and large there still remain options for people even if they may be arduous, and I do think that hospitals and doctors are still significantly motivated just to provide good care.
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- yyyfb 11 months agoTwo things can be true.
Money does buy comfort and care. Also, it does not make one immortal.
We can choose what we take away from events. I could choose to feel unlucky that I haven't made as much money as someone else, and I would be justified in it, because being rich absolutely makes a difference. I just choose to feel lucky to be alive instead, and I'm just as justified. You are free to choose your own perspective.
- noncoml 11 months ago“remember that only health and family matter”
Those were your exact words. But nice backpedal.
Edit: I don’t want to get into an argument but just beware that your original post rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I respect that’s the pain and sorrow of a loss are the same but please don’t dismiss the power and need of money. It makes a world of a difference in the process of dying. You don’t want to sound like someone living on an ivory tower.
- vsuperpower2021 11 months agoIn general if you want people to take you seriously, don't make statements like "Two things can be true." It reeks of reddit condescension where they can't make a simple statement without implying the other party is stupid enough to think that only one thing can ever be true at once.
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- topkai22 11 months agoI think you are interpreting the comment rather ungenerously. This sounds far more like finding common humanity with the deceased then somehow correlating cancer to wealth.
- vsuperpower2021 11 months agoWhat's with all the pearl clutching today? If you want to act morally outraged, at least find something even mildly offensive to respond to.
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- presentation 11 months agoSo this comment applies to people who are at least somewhat affluent and career-ambitious. Perhaps this person does not need to be addressing everybody on the planet to be making a valid statement.
- thrownawaysz 11 months agoBoth this and the other posts are full of rich people apologists, “remember billionaires are humans too!”.
So out of touch when billions live in poverty but imagine telling them, “remember have fun money doesn’t matter” when they can’t even have basic clean water or clothes
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- dyauspitr 11 months agoSusan didn’t start YouTube.
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- sgammon 11 months agoWho is this guy on Threads? Sundar's tweet should be the canonical source:
- pogue 11 months agoCasey Newton, former editor @ The Verge & who currently runs platformer.news, a pretty significant tech news site in his own right. I'm not sure why he's going by 'crumbler' these days.
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- fells 11 months agoNo? The person on Threads does not appear to be her husband. They're merely posting a screenshot of her husband's Facebook post.
- saagarjha 11 months agoThe link now points at Facebook fwiw
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- sgammon 11 months agoNot the depicted post, the dude on Threads. The link has been changed now.
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- pmarreck 11 months agoRIP. I hear that not everyone liked some of her decisions.
Personally, I wish I had any control at all over YouTube Shorts.
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- suddenexample 11 months agoAside from the tastelessness of this comment, I really don't see what point this is trying to make.
- popularornot 11 months agoYeah it was a tasteless comment. It's not good form to speak ill of the dead. Let sleeping dogs lie. Even the bible says something like that:
"Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge." -James 4:11 (KJV)
To answer your question and speak to the subject matter in the most mundane and academic sense possible, it was focusing in on YT's having become well-known for its level of having turned to political correctness (part and parcel of advertiser friendliness perhaps) in the form of changes in community standards, terms of service, and anti-mis-and-disinfo policies seen by strict free-speech advocates (and some other groups) as especially onerous and undesirable. Officially, the privately owned [but publicly traded] company can do that, and the matter even was decided upon by the United States Supreme Court recently. Although, it is also officially the case that much of this kind of selective information permissibility was indeed government-suggested, which does raise more questions about kosherness. Further, what could potentially be seen as the recursive externalization and deferral of responsibility (arguably for political, social, or economic reasons) rather than acknowledging and taking on hard tasks is a related moral issue (requiring tremendous courage given the scenario, and perhaps an academic rigor and breadth and depth of capacity not commonly found anywhere, anyway). These are the unsavory matters that many ivory armchair critics of the past, present, and future may sadly think of regarding the past several years of YT in particular (though really many observers were acutely aware of them over the last 10 years or so as a progression), and naturally a topmost corporate face is seen as having been some kind of responsible decision-maker (regardless of the truth of the matter).
Instead, those critics could be making better technological and sociological solutions, and educating, and admitting that people are imperfect and can all do their best. Instead of criticizing others.
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- threeseed 11 months agoWhen you look at X today and Reddit in years past, YouTube was well run.
And her legacy will be the incredible and I would argue positive impact it has had on society.
- nailer 11 months agoWhy? I would absolutely have community notes over political censorship every day.
- SV_BubbleTime 11 months agoThe most free expression on the internet currently. Of course I t is hated by a majority segment who is mad the old system was taken away.
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- bun_terminator 11 months agoNot the day to argue about this, but this is definitely not the canonical opinion on her work for youtube
- tibbydudeza 11 months agoAgreed Youtube is still my goto platform for entertainment and it is not a total cesspool like X - she left behind a great legacy never mind the fake controversies stoked by some content creators to get clicks.
There is always Kick and Rumble if you did not like it.
- pixxel 11 months agoAnd I’ll argue the negative impact, but not today.
- sneak 11 months agoCensorship platforms do not benefit society. They benefit the censors and shareholders. Nobody reaps benefit from other people deciding what they shouldn’t be able to watch.
- thomassmith65 11 months agoIt's remarkably easy to think of examples that disprove that claim. First one to pop into my head was 'how to make bathroom cleaner at home with bleach and alcohol'
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- meepmorp 11 months agoYou should try to develop a personality that's not "terminally online weirdo with no empathy and an axe to grind."
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- drblastoff 11 months agoIt’s incredibly difficult to run a large social platform without it quickly devolving into a cesspool of hate speech, pornography, extremism, misinformation, propaganda, etc. It’s a never-ending tightrope walk, and you ultimately need to empower a team to make decisions they believe are in the best interests of the site and its users. But you can never please everybody. People who leave comments like this only reveal their naivety. But leaving comments like this today reveals something worse than naivety.
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- sgammon 11 months agoI would also vote for the black bar if possible
- 1234554321a 11 months agoI want to vote against this. Thanks.
- sgammon 11 months agoI'm honestly curious, why? I didn't expect to be downvoted.
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- rubyn00bie 11 months agoCan we have another black bar at the top of hackernews? Feel free to delete this comment, dang, et. al. She’s just obviously had an outsized effect on us all whether we realize it or not.
- crowcroft 11 months agoI might be drawing too much from one specific example (although there aren't many examples to draw from in this case) but it smacks of ...something, that the passing of a female leader in the tech industry seems to draw a lot more ire than others, and also doesn't meet the standards for a black bar at the time of this comment (unless I missed it).
Perhaps not as much of a 'technical' contributor to tech world, but one of the largest companies in the world started in her garage, she was an early employee and served in senior leadership for decades.
- interludead 11 months agoSusan's impact on the world and on those who knew her is undeniable. May she rest in peace.
- mupuff1234 11 months agoI always assumed that ultra wealthy people can utilize preventive medicine to the max and catch stuff like cancer as soon as it appears - but i guess not?
- reducesuffering 11 months agoHer son just died of a fentanyl overdose just a few months ago too?
Not even a billion $ will protect you from America's problems with cancer and fentanyl. We need to fix this. I mean, just look at this chart:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-incidence?tab=char...
Is it pesticides like this recent HN thread alludes to?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41182121
Idk. But the US is uniquely doing something very wrong.
- rottencupcakes 11 months agoI don’t think the tox report showed fentanyl.
Looks like Xanax and Cocaine.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/30/us-news/cause-of-death-reveale...
- reducesuffering 11 months agoOk corrected. I was going off a cursory quote from the grandmother.
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- trhway 11 months agoIt is a strange chart. It for example shows that Belarus has pretty much the same rate all those 30 years. Cancer takes bunch of years to develop, and Belarus has had significant cancer numbers increase starting 10-20 years after Chernobyl. You can look up the articles on doubling rate of say breast cancer there which even without Chernobyl like events presents like 20% chances - now calculate what doubling of those chances means.
When it comes to US that chart looks a lot like the obesity rate chart, and obesity is a partial gateway to cancer, though they may just correlate too stemming from the same reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#/...
- yabatopia 11 months agoVery strange chart. The US has more relaxed regulations on food additives, pesticides, hormones used in livestock farming, and environmental pollution compared to the European Union. But that still does not explain the differences with, for example, Australia or Asia. Obesity may play a role, but obesity has also been on the rise in the EU for a few decades.
- reducesuffering 11 months agoThe problem with pointing obesity as the culprit is that ourworldindata has the same chart for obesity, where almost all countries are increasing at the same rate as US. But just US has this stark high cancer rate.
- trhway 11 months agoUS is a standout in obesity - only Arab countries and Native Pacific are close to it where obesity has different character than in US. And may be the obesity and cancer has the same cause - high processed sugar diet for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#/...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.02.16.24302894v...
"The United States (U.S.) is the leading country in ultra-processed food (UPF) consumption, accounting for 60% of caloric intake, compared to a range of 14 to 44% in Europe. "
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- akira2501 11 months agoIf you live long enough you will most likely die from either heart disease, #2 killer, or cancer, the #1 killer. Accidental self inflicted injury is #3. We're not doing anything wrong. Quite the opposite.
Since not even having a billion will allow you to cheat death, perhaps we shouldn't allow billionaires to cheat everyone else in life.
- abraxas 11 months agoCertain other countries in that chart have longer average lifespans than the US, eg. Canada, Germany, Australia etc.
- jedberg 11 months agoHealth outcomes in the US are bimodal -- the wealthy have the best health care in the world, and the longest lifespans. The poor basically have the equivalent of 3rd world care.
That makes the average come out to less than other countries with universal healthcare.
But it also explains why wealthy people are against universal care in the US -- because they believe their level of care will go down so that everyone else's can go up.
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- akira2501 11 months agoAnd fewer billionaires too, I bet.
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- throwaway2037 11 months ago
What does that mean?> Accidental self inflicted injury
- ks2048 11 months ago
From the following page. This is talking about only ages 1-44, but probably the "accidental" category means the same."The leading causes of death for unintentional injury include: unintentional poisoning (e.g., drug overdoses), unintentional motor vehicle (m.v.) traffic, unintentional drowning, and unintentional falls."
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/animated-leading-causes.h...
- akira2501 11 months agoTypically? Falling off a ladder and cracking your head.
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- mieses 11 months agothe pharmocracy will allow a cure for cancer?
- viraptor 11 months agoWe've got a number of working cures and preventions for cancers, just not most types and many are not 100% reliable. I'm happy to complain about pharma and we've still got a long way to go, but this is a bad take. Yes, they've "allowed" it for years. (Did you get your HPV vaccine already?)
- asah 11 months ago+1 - cancer prognosis used to be treated as a death sentence for most forms of cancer and "stage 4" was almost immediately referred to hospice. Amazing progress in our lifetimes, and an impressive roadmap ahead.
- throwaway2037 11 months agoAs I understand about the HPV vaccine: It only prevents new infections. It does not cure existing infections. And you need to get it very young to reduce chances of infection before vaccine.
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- ithkuil 11 months agoWhy not? Isn't it in "their interest" to keep people alive longer and longer?
- jojobas 11 months agoA cured customer is a lost customer. Indefinite remission while taking a daily dose is plausible, or maybe $2.5M per head as Zolgensma.
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- pshirshov 11 months agoYou may ask me where my tinfoil hat is, but something strange seems to be happening. My neighbour who never smoked suddenly discovered he has terminal lung cancer. Radon tests in his house were negative. The cases of early lung cancer in healthy non-smoking individuals seem to be on rise in Ireland over last 5-6 years according to the official statistics. In the news I'm reading about massive amount of cases of persistent cough which "takes weeks to resolve".
- sampo 11 months ago> In the news I'm reading about massive amount of cases of persistent cough which "takes weeks to resolve".
There is one more covid wave going on, so that could be a reason for many people coughing.
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