Inspecting North Korea's Digital Map App: Licensing and API Insights
72 points by Bezod 8 months ago | 30 comments- yorwba 8 months ago> Options to share via Bluetooth and 3G and a third unknown option that lets you enter an address
That option is labeled 통보문 (tongbomun), North Korean for "text message," and the second screen asks for the address and phone number, presumably of the contact to send a text message to. That's likely why the app has the ic_launcher_smsmms.png icon.
- superducktoes 8 months agothanks! google translate was failing me when I was looking at it.
- yorwba 8 months agoNext time you might have more luck with a Korean-English dictionary extracted from a reverse-engineered North Korean dictionary app: https://digitalnk.com/blog/2020/05/08/porting-north-korean-d... (Recursion!)
... although in the case of 통보문 there are no exact matches. It appears in KEEK.db in the definitions of various English entries related to messaging, and in biyak.db as a component of messaging-related terms.
So you would need to query with something like
for maximum recall.SELECT * FROM dictionary WHERE word LIKE '%통보문%' OR definition LIKE '%통보문%';(Aside: I came across that blog post while looking for a Korean dictionary I could just download and use offline; for better or worse, North Korea seems big on offline-first applications. I ended up repackaging it as an HTML file I can use easily on my phone: https://github.com/Yorwba/dic.html )
- yorwba 8 months ago
- superducktoes 8 months ago
- superducktoes 8 months agoguy who wrote the blog here. happy to answer any questions
- rwmj 8 months agoAre there any suspicious blanks in the map or missing buildings? Apparently the North Korean leadership don't like to be reminded of the unfinished Ryugyong Hotel[1], or more prosaically there may be missing military sites and the like.
[1] From Wikipedia: "The government manipulated official photographs in order to remove the unfinished structure from the skyline, and excluded it from printed maps of Pyongyang" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel)
- sunaookami 8 months agoNTA but in the linked 38north article[0] it says:
>However, not everything is detailed. In addition to numerous buildings having no labels, sensitive areas of the city, such as the Korean Workers’ Party complex in central Pyongyang and the Mirim Parade Training Ground, have no details, roads or building outlines.
[0] https://www.38north.org/2024/01/a-close-up-look-at-north-kor...
- sunaookami 8 months ago
- malux85 8 months agoInstead of trying to decode the password from the huge decompiled file, can you use a debugger to intercept the call to sqliteopen? Or shim it out?
I’m not familiar with Android development enough to know this is possible but this is what I’d do in x86 world - so just thought I’d offer a suggestion
- rwmj 8 months ago
- agtech_andy 8 months agoSomeone recorded a few car journeys and put them on Mapillary.
Here is one that anyone interested can check out.
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1680771775466497&lat=39....
Probably the closest thing to a Street View that we will get from there for a while.
- echoangle 8 months agoFrom the linked 38north.org article:
> An older version of the app, version 1.1, was previously detailed by Alek Sigley, an Australian student who previously lived in Pyongyang while studying at Kim Il Sung University.
How does that work? Do they just let foreigners into their University? And does this get accepted in any western state? Also, good luck ever working for a defense company or anything sensitive after that, I guess.
- mrtksn 8 months agoOn my vacation in Cuba some years ago, I found out that there are quite many westerners going there to learns Spanish in Cuban educational institutions. There were also university students who were there to participate in vocational education in Cuba-specific product manufacturing like rum. AFAIK even in Soviet times there were friendship programs and partnerships with the West to build civil ties which facilitated student exchanges etc, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are for DPRK too. I also recall something about joint programs with Korea/DPRK/EU/US to do production in special zones inside DPRK.
Except for Americans, the place was full of western tourists like me and my HSBC cards worked just fine. Those insulated places might not be as insulated as the general perception leads you to believe. The internet situation was PIA, though I hear its much better now.
- johannes1234321 8 months agoThe situation with North Korea is a lot different. North Korea is blocking itself quite up and very restrictive who can enter the country and what they can do.
- malermeister 8 months agoCuba also has the largest medical school in the world, specifically set up to train foreigners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medic...
It's tuition-free and the state provides room and board. Part of the admission criteria is that you have to be from an underprivileged community and you take an oath to go back to serve that community.
They have accepted folks from poor parts of the US, as well.
- RobotToaster 8 months ago> AFAIK even in Soviet times there were friendship programs
There's the Korean friendship association https://korea-dpr.com/
- johannes1234321 8 months ago
- psittacus 8 months agoThere is some information here and in references, but it's sparse on how he entered the university.
- wruza 8 months agoAnd does this get accepted in any western state?
What do you mean “accepted”? Is it illegal to learn in a country even if it’s a dictatorship? Last two Kims and The Sister got education in Europe, btw. New kids will do so too and then will return to reign.
- astrange 8 months ago> What do you mean “accepted”?
Universities have to be accredited for other universities to accept their transfer credits.
If companies want you to have a four-year degree then they have to believe you when you say you have one.
> Is it illegal to learn in a country even if it’s a dictatorship?
It's illegal for US citizens to do a lot of things with North Korea specifically, if you don't have permission first. That's how economic sanctions work.
- hulitu 8 months ago> That's how economic sanctions work.
Those are political sanctions desguised as economic sanction.
- hulitu 8 months ago
- echoangle 8 months agoSorry for the unclear question, I wasn’t sure how to phrase that and didn’t look it up to confirm. I meant „can you transfer any credits to a western university“.
- N19PEDL2 8 months agoI suppose that credits earned at a North Korean university are not accepted by any other university. However, having lived in North Korea and having an insider's view of the country certainly has its advantages.
- N19PEDL2 8 months ago
- ceejayoz 8 months agoAs in “does anyone recognize the degrees awarded”, I think.
- zaphirplane 8 months agoDoes any university Credit the units. Is closer
- zaphirplane 8 months ago
- astrange 8 months ago
- DicIfTEx 8 months ago> How does that work? Do they just let foreigners into their University?
Yep, looks that way: http://www.ryongnamsan.edu.kp/univ/en/education/internationa... (although I note that 'the US' is not included in the list of past students' nationalities).
There is also a private university in Pyongyang funded by foreign Evangelicals, including from the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang_University_of_Scienc...
- __jonas 8 months ago
- duxup 8 months ago> Studying at Kim Il Sung University, foreign students and apprentices can not only acquire the Korean language but also have a better understanding of Korea's time-honored history and its thrilling reality.
“Thrilling reality” is an interesting end to that sentence.
- duxup 8 months ago
- jccalhoun 8 months agoThis BBC article says it took a couple years for him to get in: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-48782235 It sounds to me like he is one of those people who just fell in love with the idea of this isolated country and then found out the truth the hard way.
- 404mm 8 months agoI’m still stuck on the “why” and perhaps even “what”.
- mannyv 8 months agoGoing to college in NK will definitely get you noticed. And the info you get from living there means you can be an instapundit expert on North Korea.
"Well Jim, I lived there for 4 years. Let me tell you how North Koreans think.'
- agtech_andy 8 months agoThere was a graduate statistics seminar program in Pyongyang for a bit.
https://community.amstat.org/sspa/communityblogs/blogviewer?...
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- mrtksn 8 months ago