"Rules" that terminal programs follow

298 points by charlieok 6 months ago | 147 comments
  • neilv 6 months ago
    Additional suggestions:

    * Respect the user's default foreground and background color. Don't change them without good reason.

    * If you use colors, make them legible regardless of what the default background and foreground colors are, and regardless of the terminal's color map.

    * Don't use color as the only indication of something. The user's terminal might not display it, and it probably won't be preserved in copy&paste into notes.

    * Use emoji only judiciously, if at all. Similar with gratuitous non-ASCII characters. It doesn't display everywhere, it doesn't paste well everywhere, and emoji can be a bit much when copy&pasted into some notes.

    * In a scrolling (non-full-screen) stdout-ish output, don't delete important information that you showed temporarily. For example, hiding warnings or filenames compiled, to display a green checkmark for done. For another example, clearing the screen of Web app build information (including package security warnings!), to display a message that it's running in dev mode, is also not wanted. People might want to see that information, or copy&paste it into notes.

    * If you went full angry fruit salad with your command line program, because it's your baby, and you're having fun hamming it up, that's fine, but please provide an easy preference setting for people to opt out of that. Your program is probably only one of many things on user's workstation display, where other programs might be using color and visuals more meaningfully, so animated throbbing red explosions for the code reformatter is a bit much.

    • Terr_ 6 months ago
      > Use emoji only judiciously, if at all.

      That reminds me of an incredibly annoying bug I encountered a few years ago involving Docker. One of the scripts being run was outputting emoji to STDOUT, and this was causing the interactive terminal to crash and thus the container to exit. (This issue [0] has error-strings and simple repro tests.)

      I'm not sure if the root cause ever got fixed, but I (and many others) ended up making PRs for various open-source projects, to grudgingly implement workarounds that compromised their original artistic vision. :p

      [0] https://github.com/docker-archive/toolbox/issues/695

      • Cpoll 6 months ago
        Nit: ┐ isn't emoji. It's a box drawing character, and they've been around in one form or another since at least the 80s. The modern form has been part of Unicode from (nearly?) the beginning.

        In any case, the character itself is unrelated to the bug. As someone pointed out in the bug thread, certain Cyrillic strings will also cause it.

      • rascul 6 months ago
        > * If you use colors, make them legible regardless of what the default background and foreground colors are, and regardless of the terminal's color map.

        This is kind of impossible. One can potentially provide for customized colors, though.

        • ratorx 6 months ago
          You can delegate the choice to the terminal by using ANSI color codes [1]. Then the onus is on the user/terminal developer to make sure the colors they’ve configured (or the defaults provided) are reasonable.

          A downside of this is that it is quite restrictive, there are only like 8 colors.

          EDIT: I missed the “regardless of the color map” bit, that is a bit unreasonable. Either you trust the terminal emulator or don’t. I think trying to have it both ways is too much.

          [1]: https://gist.github.com/JBlond/2fea43a3049b38287e5e9cefc87b2...

          • neilv 6 months ago
            For example, I've seen a program that sets foreground color to a symbolic (not RGB value) yellow, and doesn't set background. While that combination might be legible on some terminals, it's definitely not on all of them. Don't assume that the user's terminal's color map makes all combinations legible.
        • hatthew 6 months ago
          As the article explicitly stated, these are descriptive not prescriptive rules. They're things that you can generally assume all terminal programs already follow.
          • neilv 6 months ago
            The ones I listed were mostly descriptive, until recent years.
          • teddyh 6 months ago
            > please provide an easy preference setting for people to opt out of that.

            There is some effort to standardize this: <https://bixense.com/clicolors/>

            • linhns 6 months ago
              > Use emoji only judiciously, if at all. Similar with gratuitous non-ASCII characters.

              This deserves to be highlighted more. Nowadays some authors keep assuming users use a patched font and build their tools with that in mind, thus hampering ease of use significantly.

              • rodgerd 6 months ago
                > * Don't use color as the only indication of something. The user's terminal might not display it

                The user may be colour-blind (30% of the population). The user may be completely blind and relying on a screen reader.

                • Sharlin 6 months ago
                  30%? As far as I know, about 10% of male population has red-green deficiency, in females it's much rarer, and and all the other forms of colorblindness are very rare regardless of sex.
                  • patmcc 6 months ago
                    Colourblindness is <10% of the population. But yes, quite right it's not a good idea to rely on colour as the sole indication of something important.
                  • _kst_ 6 months ago
                    > Don't use color as the only indication of something. The user's terminal might not display it, and it probably won't be preserved in copy&paste into notes.

                    And some of us choose to disable color by default. (Yes, I'm old-fashioned.)

                    • 6 months ago
                    • bobbiechen 6 months ago
                      Nice writeup. Since she mentioned how hard it is to learn these conventions, I'll plug my preferred reference when thinking about CLIs specifically (rather than TUIs and REPLs) - the Command Line Interface Guidelines https://clig.dev

                      It does include the blog post's rules on exiting on Ctrl-C, accepting `-` for stdin, disabling color in pipes, and much more.

                      • thiisguy 6 months ago
                        This is referenced at the very beginning, just after the table of contents.
                        • bobbiechen 6 months ago
                          Oops, I missed it when I was reading, and assumed it wasn't referenced. Thanks!
                        • mcint 6 months ago
                          I would also recommend, call to attention, the Further Reading from CLIG, https://clig.dev/#further-reading. POSIX, GNU, Unix resources, Heroku CLI guide, and 12-factor CLI app guide.
                          • snthpy 6 months ago
                            Thanks. Didn't know about that one. There is also:

                            https://usage.jdx.dev/

                            • 6 months ago
                            • matheusmoreira 6 months ago
                              > programs should print “regular” output to stdout and errors to stderr

                              This is really important. I'd like to expand on this.

                              Standard output is for the data the program was asked to produce, no more and no less. If user asked for some JSON data, standard output should contain that exact JSON object and absolutely nothing else.

                              Standard "error" is actually a misnomer. It should have been called the standard user stream. Anything meant for the user to read on the terminal is supposed to go there. Error messages are of course included in that set but so are status messages and verbose output.

                              This ensures the output of programs can be piped into other programs seamlessly. Non-output data still gets sent to the terminal or redirected somewhere else.

                              Would have been great if programs were able to easily create new terminal-connected file descriptors for specific purposes. They could document those numbers in their manuals just like they document exit codes. Then users would get "ports" for every output. Could cut down on parsing significantly.

                              For compatibility, they could all redirect to either standard output or standard error by default... I think I'm gonna experiment with this a bit.

                              • AndrewDucker 6 months ago
                                This is definitely one of the things that PowerShell got right. 6 different streams, each of which can be intercepted separately and configured differently.

                                https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsof...

                                • matheusmoreira 6 months ago
                                  There's a lot of good ideas in power shell. I like how they broke up the log stream into separate streams by severity. It still seems arbitrary and insufficiently general though. Why severity and not some other criteria?

                                  What if programs could define any number of output streams? By default they could all coalesce into the terminal but other programs could connect to each one separately if they needed. Like an audio mixer of sorts: by default you get the mixed audio but there are ways to access each individual voice if needed.

                                  • immibis 6 months ago
                                    I don't think that 6 different streams that will always go to the same place but some of them are usually turned off are very useful. Standard-error/user is useful because it goes to a different place. Levels would be better suited to a simple global variable, or a level associated with each printed line. The chance that someone redirects errors to error.log is reasonable, but the chance that someone redirects errors to error.log and warnings to warning.log and debug to debug.log and verbose to verbose.log is pretty low.
                                    • AndrewDucker 6 months ago
                                      I turn on Verbose logging sometimes, to get more info.

                                      Error logging can be set to either spit out the error and continue, or to stop processing, which is very useful.

                                      Warning and error messages come out in their own colours automatically, which is nice.

                                      And sure, you can just have them all come out to the same place. But having the options to configure them is very handy.

                                    • MatejKafka 6 months ago
                                      Also related to the article, PowerShell has PSReadLine, which implements a pretty reasonable text editor, including selection, copy/paste, classic keybindings such as Home/End/Ctrl-arrows, sane multiline command editing, semantic autocomplete and custom actions that can operate on input AST.

                                      Once you get used to having all that, going back to other shells is pretty hard.

                                    • lionkor 6 months ago
                                      Unless your app doesn't generate output,then grepping the output will not work if it's stderr and it will be confusing
                                      • bombcar 6 months ago
                                        You can learn the 2>&1 thing, but it would be nice if there was a feature of one of the greps to "slurp up" the error output.

                                        Of course, the real problem is there's no standard, the standards that do exist are ignored, and each new command-line tool generates a new standard.

                                        • sudobash1 6 months ago
                                          It generally isn't possible for grep to "slurp up" the error output because stderr does not get passed through pipes (by default). This is shell behavior and grep cannot do anything about it.

                                          As a side note, some shells have started implementing a shorthand for `foo 2>&1 | grep` which is `foo |& grep`.

                                        • matheusmoreira 6 months ago
                                          How can you grep output if there's no output?

                                          Can you provide a concrete example of such an application?

                                          • quectophoton 6 months ago
                                            I think what they meant was something like:

                                            > Unless your app doesn't generate [stdout] output,then grepping the [visible] output will not work if it's stderr and it will be confusing

                                            With the first "output" meaning "specifically stdout", and the second meaning "what you see on the terminal".

                                            As in, you run a command, see it printed a lot of stuff, so then you do it again but piping it to `grep` or `less`, and realize none of that output was actually going to stdout.

                                            • d3VwsX 6 months ago
                                              Some applications print usage information (e.g. with --help flag) to stderr. That is a bit annoying when there is a lot of output and I just want to grep for some flag, since the first attempt will fail and then I have to try again after adding 2>&1.
                                          • packetlost 6 months ago
                                            I'm not sure I like the "standard user stream" name, but I otherewise agree with everything here.
                                            • paulddraper 6 months ago
                                              I'd name it "standard log."

                                              That's what it is....a log. Of errors, warnings, informational messages, whatever to complement the primary output.

                                              BONUS: stdlog fits nicely :)

                                              • saghm 6 months ago
                                                What about "debug"? I think the important part about stderr is that it's "meta" info about how the program is running (or ran) rather than what the program is intended to produce as output. This seems pretty similar to what often is referred to as the "debug" level of logging (which includes lower levels of logging like warnings and errors).
                                                • matheusmoreira 6 months ago
                                                  Yeah, naming is hard. If there is a better word for "non-output", I don't know it.
                                                  • packetlost 6 months ago
                                                    I would maybe call it stdlog or stdinfo vs stderr, but yeah naming things is hard.
                                              • jez 6 months ago
                                                Some more notes:

                                                - If this is your first time hearing about the readline/emacs keybindings like Ctrl-E and Ctrl-W, you'll be pleased to know that most macOS input sources use these keybindings. If you're on macOS, feel free to try Ctrl-E, Ctrl-W, or Ctrl-U in your browser's address bar right now

                                                - If you're using a command line program that doesn't support _any_ line editing (e.g. no readline keybindings, and no other keybindings), you can install the `rlwrap` program and launch the REPL under rlwrap. For example Standard ML of New Jersey has a REPL but no line editing functionality, but you can recover that via `rlwrap smlnj`

                                                - "don’t use more than 16 colours" — I would go so far as to say "don't use more than 8 colors, or at least make your colors configurable." Many popular color schemes, including Solaraized and the default Base 16 color scheme, use the "bright" colors to hold various shades of gray. What you think is "bright green" might actually be the same shade of gray that normal text is colored.

                                                • Ghoelian 6 months ago
                                                  > If you're on macOS, feel free to try Ctrl-E, Ctrl-W, or Ctrl-U in your browser's address bar right now

                                                  Most browsers I've used close the current tab when you press Ctrl-W. Actually, the terminal emulator I use, Alacritty, also does this, and most file explorers that have tabs also do. Iirc even windows explorer does this now, but it's been a while since I've actually used windows.

                                                  • Ghoelian 6 months ago
                                                    Actually no I'm wrong, I forgot that command isn't control on a mac. Zen browser just does nothing when I press ctrl-W in the address bar.
                                                    • poincaredisk 6 months ago
                                                      >Actually, the terminal emulator I use, Alacritty, also does this

                                                      This can't be right. I use ctrl+w all the time, and occasionally use Alacritty. I'd notice if this shortcut closed my terminal window (it's extremely annoying when I use a web-based ssh, because I have this shortcut deep in my muscle memory).

                                                  • chriswarbo 6 months ago
                                                    Ctrl-D for REPLs always bites me with GHCi. My usual approach to quitting GHCi is:

                                                    - Press Ctrl-D, like normal

                                                    - Get confused when nothing happens

                                                    - Remember that it doesn't work in GHCi, so run `:q` instead

                                                    - Get an error message about "lexical error at character '\EOT'", due to Ctrl-D inserting an invisible char at the start of the input

                                                    - Try `:q` again, without any invisible prefix

                                                    - GHCi successfully quits

                                                    • jeffrallen 6 months ago
                                                      You think that's hard, try getting out of vi when you're on a keyboard from an unfamiliar country.
                                                      • from-nibly 6 months ago
                                                        Or if you are like me and have caps mapped as escape.

                                                        Vim works really weird when you start typing random capital letters after thinking you were moving somewhere.

                                                        • saint_yossarian 6 months ago
                                                          There's also the `ZZ` / `ZQ` alternatives, so you just have to find those letters :)
                                                          • soraminazuki 6 months ago
                                                            Vim tells you how to quit when you press ctrl-c. It even tells you how to quit the moment you launch it. The meme about how impossible it is to quit Vim is nonsense.
                                                            • linhns 6 months ago
                                                              • lilyball 6 months ago
                                                                Do keyboards in unfamiliar countries not have the colon key?
                                                                • Philpax 6 months ago
                                                                  Both the colon and Q keys can be in different places, which can really mess with your muscle memory.
                                                                  • WolfeReader 6 months ago
                                                                    That or the Q key
                                                                • marcosdumay 6 months ago
                                                                  I always quit GHCi with Ctrl-D. I don't even know how else one is supposed to.

                                                                  Is there some setting that changes it?

                                                                  • tomsmeding 6 months ago
                                                                    Are you on Windows?
                                                                    • chriswarbo 6 months ago
                                                                      No, this is in Emacs shell-mode on Linux (various distros over the years). Just tried a few other places: it works in qterminal, and also doesn't work in eshell. I've been writing Haskell for about 15 years, including my current job as a full-time Haskell developer, and I never realised GHCi supports Ctrl-D in some situations!

                                                                      Every other REPL I've used handles this fine, e.g. for quitting Python, Nix repl, SSH sessions, and even the shell itself. Weird.

                                                                  • jrockway 6 months ago
                                                                    One that's missing is treating ~ as the home directory. This appears to be a shell thing and not a POSIX API thing. For example, this doesn't work:

                                                                      func main() {
                                                                            if _, err := os.ReadFile("~/.bashrc"); err != nil {
                                                                                    log.Fatal(err)
                                                                            }
                                                                            fmt.Println("ok")
                                                                      }
                                                                    
                                                                    Meanwhile over in shell land:

                                                                      $ echo ~/~/~
                                                                      /home/jrockway/~/~
                                                                    
                                                                    The behavior is actually kind of amazing.

                                                                    I mention it because while "yourprogram ~/path/to/file" always works, having a repl that asks for a filename might not work. I've seen a lot of software where this DOES work, so I think it counts as a "most TUI programs do this" thing.

                                                                    • wahern 6 months ago
                                                                      Tilde expansion is part of shell word expansion: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/V...

                                                                      Tilde expansion is the first operation in word expansion:

                                                                      > The expansions that are performed for a given word shall be performed in the following order: 1) Tilde expansion, parameter expansion, command substitution, and arithmetic expansion shall be performed, beginning to end. 2) Field splitting shall be performed on the portions of the fields generated by step 1. 3) Pathname expansion shall be performed, unless set -f is in effect. 4) Quote removal, if performed, shall always be performed last.

                                                                      See https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/V...

                                                                      To see the whole shell specification, goto the main page at https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/. Select "Shell & Utilities" from the top-left frame, then "Shell Command Language" from the bottom-left frame.

                                                                      • Calzifer 6 months ago
                                                                        In my opinion it should remain a shell thing. Adding tilde expansion just complicates the implementation of the tool. Now you need to know the current users home directory. And some tools might implement it incomplete so that '~' works but '~name' does not work.

                                                                        In POSIX shells '~name' expands to the home directory of user 'name'

                                                                          $ echo ~bin
                                                                          /bin
                                                                        
                                                                        Now your tool need a way to query home directory for any user including system users. Depending on NSS configuration this is more complicated than just reading /etc/passwd.

                                                                        All for the rare case that someone passes a file path starting with tilde and wants it to be expanded. IMO, when you provide a file interactively you do so through a shell and tilde expansion is handled by the shell and otherwise just provide the actual file path and do not rely on the tool doing additional expansions.

                                                                        PS: I mixed up TUI and CLI program a bit in my head. For an interactively used TUI program it might be beneficial to implement tilde expansion (but then it should be as complete as in Shells). A CLI program should not do magic stuff like tilde expansion.

                                                                        • trealira 6 months ago
                                                                          I remember reading some rant about how Unix sucks because of the shell's filename expansion, because programs can't tell whether you wrote a star or actually just all the files in the directory. If programs could tell the difference, then you could get the desired renaming behavior from mv like this:

                                                                            mv *.m *.c
                                                                          
                                                                          They suggested that this filename expansion should be in the C standard library, not the shell.

                                                                          Going further, as part of shell expansion, expanding the tilde could also be useful for filename expansion in the standard library.

                                                                        • GuB-42 6 months ago
                                                                          I would not do that to your own REPL unless you are really serious about it, with good documentation, escaping, etc...

                                                                          What if there is a file named "~"? What about "~username"? How do you escape/quote it? What if $HOME is not set, or set to something different than the actual user home directory? What about Windows? Also, a lesser known fact is that typing "~." after newline in ssh will force close the connection from the client side and there is nothing the server can do about it, so don't make it part of your workflow.

                                                                          • remram 6 months ago
                                                                            It's even worse than that, there are others, much more likely key combinations that are interpreted by the SSH client. For example "~v" increases the verbosity of the SSH client, "~C" opens a command line, etc.

                                                                            Entering "~vicky/doc.txt" or "~Ricky/doc.txt" over SSH will actually only write "icky/doc.txt", and entering "~Chris/doc.txt" will have SSH print out it's internal command-line's usage instructions in the middle of the TUI. Screenshot from Vim: https://imgur.com/a/NCt0G9r

                                                                            • BenjiWiebe 6 months ago
                                                                              That is only after a newline, so if you typed 'cat' before the filename, for instance, it would work just fine.
                                                                          • jrockway 6 months ago
                                                                            Oh, and I just remembered where this always burns me. It's cases like this:

                                                                               ./myprogram --config=~/.config/myprogram
                                                                            
                                                                            Of course, many flags parsers are aware of this, or at least accidentally aware of this, because you can write it in a form that your shell will expand.

                                                                               ./myprogram --config ~/.config/myprogram
                                                                            
                                                                            For some reason, my muscle memory requires me to type the =. I don't know why. It's probably a habit I picked up from a former employer's flag parsing library. I also always use --underscores_like_this instead of --hyphens-like-normal-people for the same reason. Sigh!
                                                                            • jasomill 6 months ago
                                                                              I have the same habit. The lack of tilde expansion after the equals sign has helped a bit in breaking this habit, however.

                                                                              Interestingly, bash does do tilde expansion, but not tab completion, after the first equal sign, and after every colon, in variable-style arguments:

                                                                                $ /bin/echo --foo=~ bar=~:~root
                                                                                --foo=~ bar=/home/jtm:/root
                                                                              
                                                                              While tab completion can be fixed in appropriate contexts using custom completion functions (e.g., [1]), AFAIK there's no way to customize tilde expansion contexts (other than the fact that tilde expanding variable-style arguments is disabled in POSIX mode).

                                                                              [1] https://github.com/scop/bash-completion/blob/8a8880db78e9b04...

                                                                            • Sharlin 6 months ago
                                                                              That's a good point, particularly given that .. is handled for you at the OS API level so you might be inclined to expect ~ is too on POSIX.
                                                                              • jasomill 6 months ago
                                                                                This would massively complicate kernel path resolution on many systems. Taking Linux as an example, even in the simplest cases, ~user expansion as typically implemented — via the getpwnam(3) libc function, which in itself implies a rather unfortunate dependency — requires reading and parsing /etc/passwd, and may also require access to network directory services like LDAP.
                                                                                • Sharlin 6 months ago
                                                                                  Sure, I don’t mean it should be that way, just that there might be a tacit assumption.
                                                                              • rascul 6 months ago
                                                                              • lieks 6 months ago
                                                                                The main reason I enjoy CLIs so much more than GUIs (or eves TUIs sometimes) is that it feels so consistent.

                                                                                There are conventions, but following all the conventions in a CLI is a lot easier than designing a good GUI. So they tend to be higher quality as a result.

                                                                                I spend a lot of time thinking how to bring this property to GUIs, but my best answers are still "lots of effort" or "lower your expectations".

                                                                                • tpmoney 6 months ago
                                                                                  A large part of this I think is that other than MacOS, GUI conventions aren’t heavily implemented by the OS and easy to opt into. And because no other OS landed on “meta key for GUI shortcuts” so there are a lot more conflicts (e.g. ctrl-c).

                                                                                  The Application Framework defaults which underly most native macOS application build a lot of common keyboard controls in. Use the default menu bar classes with the default basic commands, and Command O, N, Q, X, C,V and probably others come for free, you just implement the code that you need to for those functions. Use a standard text field and you automatically get Command/Option/Fn Left, Right, Up, Down for navigation. It’s more notabke when a macOS application doesn’t follow convention (e.g. InteliJ uses Shift-Opt up/down to move lines rather than expand the selection by paragraph) than when one does.

                                                                                  Windows does decently well on this front, but ctrl as a default modifier can hurt terminal based app usage and there are a number of UI frameworks even within the OS that appear to get different defaults.

                                                                                  And in the Linux world, I think the only way you could do this would be for someone to design (and a distro to standardize on and port apps to) a full on application framework. The window managers don’t want to be in the business of dictating the behavior of stuff in windows. The GUI toolkits don’t want to be in the business of defining os wide defaults and the DEs and distros don’t want to be in the business of if porting or dictating UI frameworks. And realistically there’s no one “on high” that could make the sort of dictation that for example “hence forth copy and paste will be Meta-C and Meta-V”

                                                                                • lyxell 6 months ago
                                                                                  I’d like to add: Programs should not add files to your home directory and should respect XDG_CONFIG_HOME and friends.
                                                                                  • kelnos 6 months ago
                                                                                    I agree, but this article is -- as the author tries to make clear -- descriptive, not prescriptive. She's listing out the things she's seen commonly in applications, not trying to convince applications that they should behave in certain ways.
                                                                                  • Sesse__ 6 months ago
                                                                                    “rule 5.1: Ctrl-W should delete the last word […] I can’t think of any exceptions to this other than text editors but if there are I’d love to hear about them!”

                                                                                    mysql(1) only links to editline instead of readline, where Ctrl-W by default deletes everything to the start of the line, not just the last word. It drove me mad in the period where I had to use it; you just see your entire nice query disappear. :-)

                                                                                    • saghm 6 months ago
                                                                                      It could be worse! Back in college, I had the misfortune to decide to try to use sqlplus, Oracle's CLI to try to connect to their database. Not only did terminal shortcuts like Ctrl-W not work at all, but you couldn't even move the cursor earlier in the line, and there was no history navigation to get to the previous command, so any typo forced you to retype the entire thing from scratch. Entering a single forward slash would allow you to run the last command verbatim, but that didn't help with typos. Ctrl-L also didn't work for clearing the screen, but you could manually run `clear scr` to do it instead, because I guess having the command just be `clear` wouldn't be obvious enough.
                                                                                      • kps 6 months ago
                                                                                        It could be worse! You could be using an un‐configurable modern browser or some such thing where attempting to erase a word closes your tab.
                                                                                        • emmelaich 6 months ago
                                                                                          Pretty sure Oracle's SQLplus supported the `e` command for a long time. Which invokes $EDITOR on last command.

                                                                                          On Unixes of course, don't know what VMS/MVS/.... did.

                                                                                          • saghm 6 months ago
                                                                                            Interesting! Too bad my googling didn't come up with that, since it was not at all easy to discover anything from within the shell.
                                                                                          • cafard 6 months ago
                                                                                            SQL*Plus is pretty basic, but L will show you the previous command, a number will give you that line of the previous command, to edit, etc.
                                                                                            • Sesse__ 6 months ago
                                                                                              If you ever need to do so again, try gqlplus, which wraps sqlplus to add such quality-of-life features :-)
                                                                                              • saghm 6 months ago
                                                                                                I hope my streak of almost a decade of not needing to use Oracle will continue, but if not, I definitely will be looking for alternatives to sqlplus...
                                                                                          • felixhummel 6 months ago
                                                                                            I'd add "long-running processes should reload their configuration on SIGHUP". :)
                                                                                            • rocqua 6 months ago
                                                                                              This isn't a list of shoulds. It's a list of, generally dones. Big difference.

                                                                                              This one is still nowhere near universal enough to count in the original lisr sadly.

                                                                                              • abbeyj 6 months ago
                                                                                                This is probably technically out of scope for this article. Long-running processes that respond to SIGHUP will usually be running detached (with no controlling TTY). Thus it is a bit of stretch to call them "terminal programs".
                                                                                                • throwaway127482 6 months ago
                                                                                                  This behavior seems difficult to actually implement in practice, no? Your application has to be careful not to accidentally cache any configuration state, as well as any state derived from the configuration, otherwise it will go out of sync. Maybe easy for trivial apps but most apps requiring configuration files are non trivial.
                                                                                                • eschaton 6 months ago
                                                                                                  Other rules for command line tools:

                                                                                                  1. Don’t assume a terminal type. Look at `TERM` and use termcap/terminfo or a library built atop them for anything beyond line-oriented plain text output, or least assume a plain teletype unless you specifically recognize the user’s terminal type.

                                                                                                  2. Don’t assume the presence of a terminal at all. Check `isatty()` before doing anything fancy, and be sure to work without a terminal so your tool can be used in pipelines and called by other programs via `exec()`.

                                                                                                  3. Follow the common conventions in your arguments and output structure. For example, if your tool takes an open-ended set of arguments, support specifying a response file with `@path/to/file` to avoid argument limits. If your tool supports record-oriented output, support a `-0` argument to `NUL`-separate the output for use with `xargs` in pipelines.

                                                                                                  4. Use the standard `<sysexits.h>` exit codes. They exist for a reason and they make use of your tool within pipelines and programs more straightforward because they make it easier to trace why a failure occurred.

                                                                                                  5. Include both in-binary `--help`/usage information and a man page. Often a user will just need a quick refresher on argument syntax, which is what the built-in help text is for; the man page should be a comprehensive reference with examples. It should *never* defer to a web page or GNU `info`—it’s fine if those exist too and are pointed out, but they should not be the primary user reference.

                                                                                                  Lots of Linux-oriented tools have one or more of these failure modes, and behave poorly on real terminals that aren’t VT100 derivatives or are awkward to use in anything but an interactive setting.

                                                                                                  • _kst_ 6 months ago
                                                                                                    > 1. Don’t assume a terminal type. Look at `TERM` and use termcap/terminfo or a library built atop them for anything beyond line-oriented plain text output, or least assume a plain teletype unless you specifically recognize the user’s terminal type.

                                                                                                    I agree, but these days I think you can mostly get away with assuming VT100-compatible behavior.

                                                                                                    > 4. Use the standard `<sysexits.h>` exit codes. They exist for a reason and they make use of your tool within pipelines and programs more straightforward because they make it easier to trace why a failure occurred.

                                                                                                    I just took a look at this header file. (It defines exit codes starting at 64.) I'm not sure I've ever seen a program that uses these codes. Many programs for UNIX-like systems just use exit(1) for generic errors, or maybe something to distinguish between data errors and usage errors such as unrecognized command-line options. I mostly use Linux; maybe it's more common on BSD-based systems (it appeared "somewhere after 4.3BSD"). For example curl defines nearly 100 distinct error codes; none of them are based on <sysexit.h>.

                                                                                                    > 5. Include both in-binary `--help`/usage information and a man page. Often a user will just need a quick refresher on argument syntax, which is what the built-in help text is for; the man page should be a comprehensive reference with examples. It should never defer to a web page or GNU `info`—it’s fine if those exist too and are pointed out, but they should not be the primary user reference.

                                                                                                    In practice, GNU `info` tends to be the primary reference for GNU programs. The man page is often missing a lot of information.

                                                                                                    • aaravchen 6 months ago
                                                                                                      In most practices I've seen, >=128 is reserved because it uses a special bit flag, and fixed codes 64-127 are reserved. But <64 is treated as a free-for-all. Most people are only using existing code 1, but if you have a reason to return specific different exit codes you need more than a couple.
                                                                                                    • aaravchen 6 months ago
                                                                                                      I've never heard of the `@/path/to/file` convention, nor ever seen anything that documented using or supporting it. Do you have any examples of tools that do use it (maybe I've just never seen it in the documentation)?
                                                                                                      • eschaton 6 months ago
                                                                                                        It’s called a “response file” and they’re at least common among developer tools like compilers and linkers for avoiding common limits on command line arguments.
                                                                                                    • Sophira 6 months ago
                                                                                                      One thing I'm wondering about is what text encoding the program should use to output. I tend to write scripts that output exclusively in UTF-8, but I realise this might not be a given. (And, of course, the user's terminal expected encoding setting doesn't necessarily mean that files should be written in that encoding.)

                                                                                                      Presumably, you would ideally output text in whatever encoding is specified by the LANG environment variable, but this seems like something that only comes with full i18n/l10n support, since it also specifies the actual language to use.

                                                                                                      Are there any actual established guidelines on this?

                                                                                                      • Sharlin 6 months ago
                                                                                                        I think these days on POSIX you can just assume UTF-8. On Windows the situation is... not great and entirely depends on what terminal/shell combination you're using.
                                                                                                      • jeffrallen 6 months ago
                                                                                                        If you are a young sysadmin, take the time to.learn Emacs. Not because Emacs is good (but it is) but because deadline keys are Emacs keys, so once you know Emacs you know shell, MySQL, etc.

                                                                                                        Play your terminal like a piano . Your livelihood depends on it.

                                                                                                        • yencabulator 6 months ago
                                                                                                          > then the operating system will return an EOF when you press Ctrl-D on an empty line.

                                                                                                          This is akshully not correct. Control-D makes the read(2) return with the data currently in the input buffer. If there's no data in the buffer, that results in a 0-length read, which is how EOF is signaled.

                                                                                                          Try this: run cat, type foo, press control-D. "foo" will be echoed, without any newline.

                                                                                                          • wizzwizz4 6 months ago
                                                                                                            It is correct, because when you press Ctrl+D on an empty line, the OS will return an EOF. It's not a complete answer, but neither's yours, because you didn't consider what happens when the OOM killer reaps cat. However, it's not intended to be a complete description, because it's describing a UI convention.
                                                                                                          • sysread 6 months ago
                                                                                                            Non-interactive programs that emit informational output should only do so to stderr or a log file so that they may be used in a pipe line.
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                                                                                                            • xg15 6 months ago
                                                                                                              It's also important to know which rules are "hard", i.e. implemented or enforced by the first three (or implemented by the program, but would be a complete nonstarter to break) and which rules are just "conventions", like the "short options/long options" rules in POSIX.

                                                                                                              In particular, those can change between OSes: On all linuxes, programs already get a pre-parsed array of command line args on start, so parsing and quoting behavior depend on the shell, not individual programs.

                                                                                                              On Windows, programs get passed the entire command line invocation as a string and have to do the parsing themselves. While all "well-behaved" programs let the libc do this, it's perfectly possible for a program to break the rules here.

                                                                                                              • adiabatty 6 months ago
                                                                                                                One thing that I’ve noticed:

                                                                                                                On UNIX, expanding globs (*.txt) is the shell’s job.

                                                                                                                On Windows, expanding globs is the program’s job.

                                                                                                                I used to have a bunch of four-line Python programs to, essentially, run `flac --best --replay-gain *.wav`.

                                                                                                                • zokier 6 months ago
                                                                                                                  On Unix programs get arguments as array of strings. On Windows programs get command line as single string.

                                                                                                                  Strictly speaking that does not explain where globbing happens, but it does help understanding where they come from.

                                                                                                                • shmerl 6 months ago
                                                                                                                  > don’t use more than 16 colours

                                                                                                                  We aren't in the '80s. Use true color if you want to, modern terminals should support it (built in Linux tty is a weird outlier that should have supported true color years ago).

                                                                                                                  But that also depends on the context. For example if something implements its own TUI with a lot of elements - it makes more sense to use more colors than the barebones set.

                                                                                                                  Most programs that do care about colors, check what terminal capabilities are before using them.

                                                                                                                  • zokier 6 months ago
                                                                                                                    As Evans explains, its not about technical capability, but about respecting users choice of colors/theme.
                                                                                                                  • mattofak 6 months ago
                                                                                                                    In the same category of command line program guidelines: https://clig.dev/
                                                                                                                    • model-15-DAV 6 months ago
                                                                                                                      As an addendum to Rule 7, `cd -` takes you to the last opened directory. Or is `cd` considered part of the terminal emulator's job, as a built-in?
                                                                                                                      • saghm 6 months ago
                                                                                                                        I don't think it's part of the terminal emulator (e.g. xterm, gnome-terminal) but the shell (bash, zsh, etc.). You're correct that it's not something that's implemented as an external program though; the "current directory" is state for a currently running terminal session, so changing that state is done via the shell interface (either directly by built-in commands like cd or indirectly via external commands that use those transitively).
                                                                                                                        • machinestops 6 months ago
                                                                                                                          Note: Child processes can't change the working directory of the parent. An external command (that is, not a shell builtin, shell function, or externally loaded module) cannot change the working directory, because they're launched as child processes.
                                                                                                                          • saghm 6 months ago
                                                                                                                            Good point. I'm not sure why I was thinking that it was possible to do via some other command invoking `cd` or something, but you're right that the only examples I can think of are all using other builtins (e.g. invoking `source` to have a script change the current state).
                                                                                                                          • model-15-DAV 6 months ago
                                                                                                                            True, I meant the shell, as `cd` is a shell builtin. However, `git-checkout` does implement this behavior. `git checkout -` will checkout the previously checked out branch.
                                                                                                                        • xuhu 6 months ago
                                                                                                                          How did copy-pasting text between programs fit in the initial shell design ? You can't paste from a remote tmux to a local one, you can't mouse-copy multiple lines from a vim vertical split, etc. Where's the terminal clipboard that works across programs ?
                                                                                                                          • _kst_ 6 months ago
                                                                                                                            You can (usually) run your remote tmux in a window in your local tmux session; then you can use the local tmux session's copy/paste features.

                                                                                                                            I commonly run "ssh remote-system" in a tmux window, then attach to a tmux session on the remote system.

                                                                                                                            If you nest tmux sessions like this, you have to type the prefix character (Ctrl-B by default; I use Ctrl-Space) twice for the nested session to see it.

                                                                                                                          • cpif 6 months ago
                                                                                                                            I can use Ctrl-A, Ctrl-E, and Ctrl-U in text fields in the lynx browser, but not Ctrl-W.

                                                                                                                            I just checked to see if Ctrl-F and Ctrl-B work, and found that the former kills one word forward and the latter acts like Ctrl-W ought to?

                                                                                                                            • cbhl 6 months ago
                                                                                                                              > rule 3: REPLs should quit when you press Ctrl-D on an empty line

                                                                                                                              If memory serves, this behavior depends on the OS. On Windows I believe the norm there is to type "<Ctrl-Z><Enter>"

                                                                                                                              • hatthew 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                I think it's assumed this article is about *nix, not windows
                                                                                                                              • ucarion 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                What does "cooked" mode mean in the context of this article?
                                                                                                                                • kelnos 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                  It means that the keystrokes you type aren't just immediately handled to the application in raw form; something higher up the chain (kernel, terminal emulator, shell) is pre-processing ("cooking") them in some way, possibly taking actions before (or in place of) passing the keystrokes to the application.

                                                                                                                                  For example, if an application you're using has left things in cooked mode, and you press ctrl+c, the application will never "see" that keystroke; something higher up in the input chain (I believe Linux's TTY driver) will see it, swallow it, and send SIGINT to the application.

                                                                                                                                  Applications can also put the tty into "raw mode", where this won't happen; in that case the app is responsible for implementing those "expected" keystroke behaviors, if it makes sense for the application to do so.

                                                                                                                                  • lilyball 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                    cooked mode also generally gives input to the program a line at a time and handles things like backspace to delete characters, and it handles program output too, doing things like replacing \n with \r\n.
                                                                                                                                    • teddyh 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                      No, line-by-line vs. character-by-character is a separate mode from “cooked” mode. See “stty extproc”.
                                                                                                                                  • emmelaich 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                    Do stty -a and have a look at the output. Do `man stty` for the whole gory story.

                                                                                                                                    Raw means send characters immediately, literally. Cooked imply some some of the flags are on, specifically (from memory) icanon, echo, among the `lflags`. Plus others.

                                                                                                                                    Further down among `cchars` you'll see werase = ^w and kill = ^u. Here kill means kill (erase) the line, not send a signal.

                                                                                                                                  • noisycarlos 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                    I can't be the only one that accidentally closes tabs in my browser when I want to delete a word with Ctrl+W
                                                                                                                                    • ruricolist 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                      For forcing colorized output: I personally prefer pipetty (from the colorized-logs package on Debian) to unbuffer, since unbuffer merges stdout and stdin.
                                                                                                                                      • EasyMark 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                        Another one that comes in really handy for ssh connections:

                                                                                                                                        hit -> [return] ~ .

                                                                                                                                        to break a jammed up ssh session. A lot of people don't seem to know that one.

                                                                                                                                        • anthk 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                          Don't hardcode readline keybindings.
                                                                                                                                          • eviks 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                            Some of the rules codify many bad practices, from poor color support to unergonomic keybindings. Given that the support isn't universal and breaks in parts anyway, it's better to break it competely and use something more ergonomic
                                                                                                                                            • poincaredisk 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                              If you write a command line program, please don't introduce random keybindings for simple actions, or unnecessarily fancy colors when standard 8 would suffice. These rules (or rather conventions) exist for a reason.
                                                                                                                                              • eviks 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                                Sure there is a reason, just not a good one. Bad defaults are rather sticky. And the keybinding would be ergonomic, not random
                                                                                                                                            • teddyh 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                              See also The Art of Unix Programming: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/>
                                                                                                                                              • CorrectHorseBat 6 months ago
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                                                                                                                                                • kps 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                                  Ctrl-W originates (on Un*x) from the ‘new’ BSD tty driver in the late '70s. Ctrl-U vs Ctrl-X was one of those BSD-vs-AT&T things (where V7 defaulted to ‘@’ 'cause your terminal might not have those fancy control characters). `vi` respected the current tty settings.
                                                                                                                                                  • blueflow 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                                    Do an "stty -a" in the terminal - you will see these two keys are handled by the kernel itself and will also work with programs reading dumbly from stdin, like "cat".
                                                                                                                                                    • d3VwsX 6 months ago
                                                                                                                                                      Ctrl-w and ctrl-u in a default emacs do not even do the same things as in readline.

                                                                                                                                                      C-w is (usually) kill-region (similar to what most editors call "cut").

                                                                                                                                                      C-u is universal-argument, that is used as a prefix for other commands to add arguments.