Apple has 90 days to allow app sideloading in Brazil

89 points by soapdog 3 months ago | 37 comments
  • throwawaynewnew 3 months ago
    Is it sideloading ("installing" whatever you want) or is it alternative stores? The title says sideloading but the article says alternative stores. Even in the EU, they still require notarization on all apps, so in effect everything still has to go through their approval. Sideloading would include apps that Apple would never allow like apps that violate ToS of other services (youtube vanced, grayjay, stuff of that nature).
    • grg0 3 months ago
      Yup, it's not sideloading. Actual sideloading would be too much freedom for an iphone ecosystem.
      • zipping1549 3 months ago
        Why? I say this like thousand times but you don't have to sideload anything. It's optional and it always will be.
        • B-Con 3 months ago
          To much freedom for Apple to stomach.

          Apple despises user freedom. Their whole thing is "use what we gave you and be happy for it". They would never tolerate letting users do something like run any app of their own choosing.

        • DownrightNifty 3 months ago
          Do you have a source for that?
    • DownrightNifty 3 months ago
      I added it to the tracker:

      https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/#which-countries-are-l...

      Fingers crossed this enables true sideloading and not just third party app stores!

      • wkat4242 3 months ago
        Cool, they already have the infra built for the EU so it's just a matter of switching it on. 90 days is reasonable IMO.
        • ycombinatrix 3 months ago
          That's an alternative market, not sideloading.
          • Gigachad 3 months ago
            Side loading already exists. You can do it yourself in any country right now, it’s just restricted to packages you signed yourself, and they have to be resigned every few days.

            Implementing this should just be turning off those two restrictions.

            • xethos 3 months ago
              So I can build, sign, and install an app on iOS without paying Apple $100 every year for the privilege of running my own code? Can I install my own app from a country that's under sanctions, and will not allow VISA payments to be made to Apple? Because that's the requirement here. I'm not after "Here's the paid workaround", I'm asking about building and running my own software, without a fee, like one can do on Android, Linux (or Linux Mobile), MacOS, Windows, or (IIRC), Windows fucking Mobile.

              You can't say "Sideloading is available (for a small ongoing fee)", because that's not what anyone asking about sideloading is talking about

              • wkat4242 3 months ago
                Those restrictions are pretty horrible though. Especially the every few days thing. They're not useful for practical use. I used to have iOS and I was even a developer but I left when jailbreaking became more and more difficult.

                But with the EU thing apple also introduced a tax on app publishers, even FOSS ones. I imagine they'll want to do the same in Brazil.

                • ycombinatrix 3 months ago
                  You need to pay for a developer license, and you can have at most 3 temporary apps at a time. That's not sideloading.
            • singularity2001 3 months ago
              What is the status of EU sideloading btw?
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                • ChrisArchitect 3 months ago
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                  • Chyzwar 3 months ago
                    As US continues to give up its dominant position, we will more countries playing hard ball with US corporations.
                    • yellowapple 3 months ago
                      As they indeed should, and should've been doing for decades now.
                      • mvdtnz 3 months ago
                        This goes back to a complaint in 2022 and as mentioned in the very first sentence of the article similar rulings have already taken effect in several countries. Not everything is about Trump.
                      • Frederation 3 months ago
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                      • pipeline_peak 3 months ago
                        Why is the title worded like some sort of ultimatum? It’s Brazil, how many of their smartphone users even use iPhone, 20%?
                        • piva00 3 months ago
                          Around 10% within around 150 million smartphones, 15 million iPhones gone unsold is not insignificant. That's some US$ 15-20 billion.
                          • nhinck3 3 months ago
                            Because that's what court orders are?