Anytime Oracle is brought up is a great time to repost the famous Lawnmower quote:

> "As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' but it's like: Wow, this is really simple! This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle." - Bryan Cantril

what's "streak"? do you mean steak?

The problem is the people who have to use Oracle aren't the ones getting the steak or strippers.

"Oracle, where the Sun don't shine no more."

I’m sorry but I don’t get this Zed Shaw reference, what did I miss?

I haven’t seen the ads, but Oracle Cloud is definitely the public cloud provider with the most generous free tier. That’s not to say you should use and trust them, but I can see why many would.

>”enterprise sales process”

I’m sorry, is Oracle known to be some super sleazy sales org that plys enterprise decision makers with strippers and cocktails, and drugs?

I worked as a contractor for the Wisconsin state government and they had hundreds of Oracle databases that they were consolidating on the Oracle EXADATA11 servers. Insane having hardware that can only run Oracle but the Oracle DBA said that the Exadata was dozens of times faster than Oracle on VMware VMs.

Actually, it is mostly companies who are too reluctant to change. If it works, keep it as is, even if better technologies are the norm nowadays. Maybe this will help them move away from this obsolete Larry Ellison crapshot

> everyone who worked there has a black mark on their CV. Yet they persist, continue leeching off companies too scared to make the jump elsewhere.

This is just your opinion. Most people I know who work there feel just fine if not very happy. Pay/benefits are good. Work is about same everywhere. In fact depending on group there maybe good, challenging technical work there.

As far as CV is concerned working there is mostly positive or at best neutral in term of job change.

> Nobody buys Oracle because they like them or their good reputation.

Oracle is quite expensive but they have reputation of solid database for enterprise workloads.

Also their cloud business is doing fine and growing and not irrelevant. One can see that from their quarterly results.

My wife is a hospital pharmacist. Cerner is a poular EMR system, is ~#2 in the market (behind Epic). These systems are ridiculously difficult to change between (everyone from your front-check-in desk to every surgeon who has privileges needs to be trained on how the new system works in addition to the technical problems with ETL'ing all your data over, and each hospital has an enormous amount of customization done to their workflows that has to be ported over to the new system)- she's done that twice at two different places and it was a huge, process, 18 months minimum. So these EMR's have an enormous amount of lock-in.

The punchline is, in 2022 Oracle purchased Cerner, renamed it Oracle Health, and started accelerating the process of enshittifying it. I have to tip my hat to them, it's like their BizDev team found a market segment that had as much lock-in as SQL databases do, and are now trying to replicate all the evil tricks they learned from that in another market segment. Because what are hospitals but giant bags of money to be drained so Larry Ellison can buy another yacht?

> everyone who worked there has a black mark on their CV

I hope this is hyperbole. Rank and file employees are not responsible for corporate policy or direction, especially in places like Oracle.

Note that it was an almost 4 year old already disclosed CVE which was used. Oracle messed up, big time. That's why they're trying to get rid of all incriminating evidence for potential lawsuits.

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2021-35587

My guess is that admitting a security incident triggers lots of contractual clauses.

They have probably decided it's cheaper to simply deny the event (therefore not triggering those clauses).

If it gets to court, Oracle will find some expert who says there was no incident, and the other side will present clear evidence there was an incident, but the non-technical judge will probably still not be sure.

I believe enterprise customers are not going to care much unless it helps with lowering existing costs.

OTOH, Oracle as part of BSA can demand an audit so they will inflict / make up reason to also punish (i.e. licensing or pull support). The business could invoke an MSA punishment clause and win temporarily but it will cause a headache going forward (further demands from Oracle, higher costs etc.)

Either way, Oracle gets what they want.

It would help, but it'd be better for everyone if there was just one law to worry about which covered everyone (or at least set a minimum standard) rather than having 50 different versions of the same law all over the country each with their own definitions, thresholds, penalties, etc. It'd make things a lot less complicated for both companies and consumers, especially given how often a single company's data being exposed impacts people all over the nation.

FWIW, that doesn't appear to be a "hasty rebrand" - Oracle has had this distinction for a long time.

https://docs.oracle.com/en/cloud/saas/enterprise-performance...

Yeah, they've clearly been given some minimal company line and aren't deviating from it. Not going to win any trust.

Neither. I would not read anything into a random hacker's twitter follow list.

Something tells me parent implied the /s.

The SEC no longer exists. The billionaires like Elison completely own the US government right now.

Presumably the requirements for public companies to disclose stuff and generally follow all kinds of rules were somehow for the health of the markets or something like that. I wonder how the markets will fare with the rules neutered.

To be fair, they're trending down at the moment, so maybe there was something there. But truly only time will tell.

Crypto is a prime asset for bribing. Not for nothing the president has his own shit coin.

The SEC says they have 4 business days

"An Item 1.05 Form 8-K will generally be due four business days after a registrant determines that a cybersecurity incident is material. The disclosure may be delayed if the United States Attorney General determines that immediate disclosure would pose a substantial risk to national security or public safety and notifies the Commission of such determination in writing." (from https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023-139)