GitHub Copilot Coding Agent

564 points by net01 1 month ago | 357 comments
  • taurath 1 month ago
    > Copilot excels at low-to-medium complexity tasks in well-tested codebases, from adding features and fixing bugs to extending tests, refactoring, and improving documentation.

    Bounds bounds bounds bounds. The important part for humans seems to be maintaining boundaries for AI. If your well-tested codebase has the tests built thru AI, its probably not going to work.

    I think its somewhat telling that they can't share numbers for how they're using it internally. I want to know that Microsoft, the company famous for dog-fooding is using this day in and day out, with success. There's real stuff in there, and my brain has an insanely hard time separating the trillion dollars of hype from the usefulness.

    • timrogers 1 month ago
      We've been using Copilot coding agent internally at GitHub, and more widely across Microsoft, for nearly three months. That dogfooding has been hugely valuable, with tonnes of valuable feedback (and bug bashing!) that has helped us get the agent ready to launch today.

      So far, the agent has been used by about 400 GitHub employees in more than 300 our our repositories, and we've merged almost 1,000 pull requests contributed by Copilot.

      In the repo where we're building the agent, the agent itself is actually the #5 contributor - so we really are using Copilot coding agent to build Copilot coding agent ;)

      (Source: I'm the product lead at GitHub for Copilot coding agent.)

      • overfeed 1 month ago
        > we've merged almost 1,000 pull requests contributed by Copilot

        I'm curious to know how many Copilot PRs were not merged and/or required human take-overs.

        • sethammons 1 month ago
          textbook survivorship bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

          every bullet hole in that plane is the 1k PRs contributed by copilot. The missing dots, and whole missing planes, are unaccounted for. Ie, "ai ruined my morning"

          • philipwhiuk 1 month ago
            I'm curious how many were much more than Dependabot changes.
            • xeromal 1 month ago
              I see number of PRs as modern LOC, something that doesn't tell me anything about quality.
              • literalAardvark 1 month ago
                "We need to get 1000 PRs merged from Copilot" "But that'll take more time" "Doesn't matter"
              • NitpickLawyer 1 month ago
                > In the repo where we're building the agent, the agent itself is actually the #5 contributor - so we really are using Copilot coding agent to build Copilot coding agent ;)

                Really cool, thanks for sharing! Would you perhaps consider implementing something like these stats that aider keeps on "aider writing itself"? - https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html

                • timrogers 1 month ago
                  Nice idea! We're going to try to get together a blog post in the next couple of weeks on how we're using Copilot coding agent at GitHub - including to build Copilot coding agent ;) - and having some live stats would be pretty sweet too.
                • taurath 1 month ago
                  > In the repo where we're building the agent, the agent itself is actually the #5 contributor - so we really are using Copilot coding agent to build Copilot coding agent ;)

                  Thats a fun stat! Are humans in the #1-4 slots? Its hard to know what processes are automated (300 repos sounds like a lot of repos!).

                  Thank you for sharing the numbers you can. Every time a product launch is announced, I feel like its a gleeful announcement of a decrease of my usefulness. I've got imposter syndrome enough, perhaps Microsoft might want to speak to the developer community and let us know what they see happening? Right now its mostly the pink slips that are doing the speaking.

                  • timrogers 1 month ago
                    Humans are indeed in slots #1-4.

                    After hearing feedback from the community, we’re planning to share more on the GitHub Blog about how we’re using Copilot coding agent at GitHub. Watch this space!

                  • _heimdall 1 month ago
                    How strong was the push from leadership to use the agents internally?

                    As part of the dogfooding I could see them really pushing hard to try having agents make and merge PRs, at which point the data is tainted and you don't know if the 1,000 PRs were created or merged to meet demand or because devs genuinely found it useful and accurate.

                    • mirkodrummer 1 month ago
                      > 1,000 pull requests contributed by Copilot

                      I'd like a breakdown of this phrase, how much human work vs Copilot and in what form, autocomplete vs agent. It's not specified seems more like a marketing trickery than real data

                      • timrogers 1 month ago
                        The "1,000 pull requests contributed by Copilot" datapoint is specifically referring to Copilot coding agent over the past 2.5 months.

                        Pretty much every developer at GitHub is using Copilot in their day to work, so its influence touches virtually every code change we make ;)

                      • binarymax 1 month ago
                        So I need to ask: what is the overall goal of your project? What will you do in, say, 5 years from now?
                        • timrogers 1 month ago
                          What I'm most excited about is allowing developers to spend more of their time working on the work they enjoy, and less of their time working on mundane, boring or annoying tasks.

                          Most developers don't love writing tests, or updating documentation, or working on tricky dependency updates - and I really think we're heading to a world where AI can take the load of that and free me up to work on the most interesting and complex problems.

                          • ilaksh 1 month ago
                            That's a completely nonsensical question given how quickly things are evolving. No one has a five year project timeline.
                          • dsl 1 month ago
                            > In the repo where we're building the agent, the agent itself is actually the #5 contributor

                            How does this align with Microsoft's AI safety principals? What controls are in place to prevent Copilot from deciding that it could be more effective with less limitations?

                            • timrogers 1 month ago
                              Copilot only does work that has been assigned to it by a developer, and all the code that the agent writes has to go through a pull request before it can be merged. In fact, Copilot has no write access to GitHub at all, except to push to its own branch.

                              That ensures that all of Copilot's code goes through our normal review process which requires a review from an independent human.

                              • bamboozled 1 month ago
                                Haha
                              • meindnoch 1 month ago
                                Yeah, Product Managers always swear by their products.
                                • KenoFischer 1 month ago
                                  What's the motivation for restricting to Pro+ if billing is via premium requests? I have a (free, via open source work) Pro subscription, which I occasionally use. I would have been interested in trying out the coding agent, but how do I know if it's worth $40 for me without trying it ;).
                                  • timrogers 1 month ago
                                    Great question!

                                    We started with Pro+ and Enterprise first because of the higher number of premium requests included with the monthly subscription.

                                    Whilst we've seen great results within GitHub, we know that Copilot won't get it right every time, and a higher allowance of free usage means that a user can play around and experiment, rather than running out of credits quickly and getting discouraged.

                                    We do expect to open this up to Pro and Business subscribers - and we're also looking at how we can extend access to open source maintainers like yourself.

                                  • aaroninsf 1 month ago
                                    Question you may have a very informed perspective on:

                                    where are we wrt the agent surveying open issues (say, via JIRA) and evaluating which ones it would be most effective at handling, and taking them on, ideally with some check-in for conirmation?

                                    Or, contrariwise, from having product management agents which do track and assign work?

                                    • 9wzYQbTYsAIc 1 month ago
                                      Check out this idea: https://fairwitness.bot (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44030394).

                                      The entire website was created by Claude Sonnet through Windsurf Cascade, but with the “Fair Witness” prompt embedded in the global rules.

                                      If you regularly guide the LLM to “consult a user experience designer”, “adopt the multiple perspectives of a marketing agenc”, etc., it will make rather decent suggestions.

                                      I’ve been having pretty good success with this approach, granted mostly at the scale of starting the process with “build me a small educational website to convey this concept”.

                                    • cwsx 1 month ago
                                      Is Copilot _enforced_ as the only option for an AI coding agent? Or can devs pick-and-choose whatever tool they prefer

                                      I'm interested in the [vague] ratio of {internallyDevlopedTool} vs alternatives - essentially the "preference" score for internal tools (accounting for the natural bias towards ones own agent for testing/QA/data purposes). Any data, however vague is necessary, would be great.

                                      (and if anybody has similar data for _any_ company developing their own agent, please shout out).

                                      • nautilus12 1 month ago
                                        Why don't you focus on automating your CEO's job, a comparatively easy task, rather than automating your fellow engineer's jobs?
                                        • tjwebbnorfolk 1 month ago
                                          Spoken by someone who's apparently never run a real business
                                        • nautilus12 1 month ago
                                          Welp....Github was good product while it lasted.
                                          • Cthulhu_ 1 month ago
                                            Github and Copilot are separate products, nothing mandates you to use it.
                                          • miroljub 1 month ago
                                            400 GitHub employees are using GitHub Copilot day in day out, and it comes out as #5 contributor? I wouldn't call that a success. If it is any useful, I would expect that even if a developer write 10% of their code using it, it would hold be #1 contributor in every project.
                                            • timrogers 1 month ago
                                              The #5 contributor thing is a stat from a single repository where we’re building Copilot coding agent.
                                            • 09thn34v 1 month ago
                                              re: 300 of your repositories... so it sounds like y'all don't use a monorepo architecture. i've been wondering if that would be a blocker to using these agents most effectively. expect some extra momentum to swing back to the multirepo approach accordingly
                                              • ilaksh 1 month ago
                                                What model does it use? gpt-4.1? Or can it use o3 sometimes? Or the new Codex model?
                                                • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                  At the moment, we're using Claude 3.7 Sonnet, but we're keeping our options open to change the model down the line, and potentially even to introduce a model picker like we have for Copilot Chat and Agent Mode.
                                                • burnt-resistor 1 month ago
                                                  When I repeated to other tech people from about 2012 to 2020 that the technological singularity was very close, no one believed me. Coding is just the easiest to automate away into almost oblivion. And, too many non technical people drank the Flavor Aid for the fallacy that it can be "abolished" completely soon. It will gradually come for all sorts of knowledge work specialists including electrical and mechanical engineers, and probably doctors too. And, of course, office work too. Some iota of a specialists will remain to tune the bots, and some will remain in the fields to work with them for where expertise is absolutely required, but widespread unemployment of what were options for potential upward mobility into middle class are being destroyed and replaced with nothing. There won't be "retraining" or handwaving other opportunities for the "basket of labor", but competition of many uniquely, far overqualified people for ever dwindling opportunities.

                                                  It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair

                                                  • kenjackson 1 month ago
                                                    I don't think it was unreasonable to be very skeptical at the time. We generally believed that automation would get rid of repetitive work that didn't require a lot of thought. And in many ways programming was seen almost at the top of the heap. Intellectually demanding and requiring high levels of precision and rigor.

                                                    Who would've thought (except you) that this would be one of the things that AI would be especially suited for. I don't know what this progression means in the long run. Will good engineers just become 1000x more productive as they manage X number of agents building increasingly complex code (with other agents constantly testing, debugging, refactoring and documenting them) or will we just move to a world where we just have way fewer engineers because there is only a need for so much code.

                                                    • ayrtondesozzla 1 month ago
                                                      Do you've any textual evidence of this 8-year stretch of your life where you see yourself as being perpetually correct? Do you mean that you were very specifically predicting flexible natural language chatbots, or vaguely alluding to some sort of technological singularity?

                                                      We absolutely have not reached anything resembling anyone's definition of a singularity, so you are very much still not proven correct in this. Unless there are weaker definitions of that than I realised?

                                                      I think you'll be proven wrong about the economy too, but only time will tell there.

                                                      • GenshoTikamura 1 month ago
                                                        history/1950/people-in-swimming-pool-drinking-wine-served-by-a-robot.png
                                                      • Xunjin 1 month ago
                                                        TBF, you are more than biased to conclude this, I definitely take your opinion with an whole bottle of salt.

                                                        Without data, a comprehensive study and peers review, it's a hell no. Would GitHub willing to be at academic scrutiny to prove it?

                                                        • latentsea 1 month ago
                                                          > In the repo where we're building the agent, the agent itself is actually the #5 contributor - so we really are using Copilot coding agent to build Copilot coding agent ;)

                                                          Ah yes, the takeoff.

                                                        • mjr00 1 month ago
                                                          From talking to colleagues at Microsoft it's a very management-driven push, not developer-driven. Friend on an Azure team had a team member who was nearly put on a PIP because they refused to install the internal AI coding assistant. Every manager has "number of developers using AI" as an OKR, but anecdotally most devs are installing the AI assistant and not using it or using it very occasionally. Allegedly it's pretty terrible at C# and PowerShell which limits its usefulness at MS.
                                                          • shepherdjerred 1 month ago
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                                                            • antihipocrat 1 month ago
                                                              That's exactly what senior executives who aren't coding are saying everywhere.

                                                              Meanwhile, engineers are using it for code completion and as a Google search alternative.

                                                              I don't see much difference here at all, the only habit to change is learning to trust an AI solution as much as a Stack Overflow answer. Though the benefit of SO is each comment is timestamped and there are alternative takes, corrections, caveats in the comments.

                                                              • mjr00 1 month ago
                                                                What does this have to do with my comment? Did you mean to reply to someone else?

                                                                I don't understand what this has to do with AI adoption at MS (and Google/AWS, while we're at it) being management-driven.

                                                                • adamsb6 1 month ago
                                                                  There's a large group of people that claim that AI tools are no good and I can't tell if they're in some niche where they truly aren't, they don't care to put any effort into learning the tools, or they're simply in denial.
                                                                  • evantbyrne 1 month ago
                                                                    It's just tooling. Costs nothing to wait for it to be better. It's not like you're going miss out on AGI. The cost of actually testing every slop code generator is non-trivial.
                                                                    • rsoto2 1 month ago
                                                                      AIs are boring
                                                                      • karn97 1 month ago
                                                                        A bwtter stack exchange search isn't that revolutionary
                                                                    • sensanaty 1 month ago
                                                                      > I want to know that Microsoft, the company famous for dog-fooding is using this day in and day out, with success

                                                                      Have they tried dogfooding their dogshit little tool called Teams in the last few years? Cause if that's what their "famed" dogfooding gets us, I'm terrified to see what lays in wait with copilot.

                                                                      • twodave 1 month ago
                                                                        I feel like I saw a quote recently that said 20-30% of MS code is generated in some way. [0]

                                                                        In any case, I think this is the best use case for AI in programming—as a force multiplier for the developer. It’s for the best benefit of both AI and humanity for AI to avoid diminishing the creativity, agency and critical thinking skills of its human operators. AI should be task oriented, but high level decision-making and planning should always be a human task.

                                                                        So I think our use of AI for programming should remain heavily human-driven for the long term. Ultimately, its use should involve enriching humans’ capabilities over churning out features for profit, though there are obvious limits to that.

                                                                        [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-a...

                                                                        • greatwhitenorth 1 month ago
                                                                          How much was previously generated by intellisense and other code gen tools before AI? What is the delta?
                                                                          • DeepYogurt 1 month ago
                                                                            > I feel like I saw a quote recently that said 20-30% of MS code is generated in some way. [0]

                                                                            Similar to google. MS now requires devs to use ai

                                                                            • spooneybarger 1 month ago
                                                                              I know a lot of devs at MSFT, none of them are required to use AI.
                                                                              • beefnugs 1 month ago
                                                                                So demanding all employees use it... results in less than 30% compliance. That does tell me a lot
                                                                              • tmpz22 1 month ago
                                                                                How much of that is protobuf stubs and other forms of banal autogenerate code?
                                                                                • twodave 1 month ago
                                                                                  Updated my comment to include the link. As much as 30% specifically generated by AI.
                                                                                • rcarmo 1 month ago
                                                                                  That quote was completely misrepresented.
                                                                                  • ilaksh 1 month ago
                                                                                    You might want to study the history of technology and how rapidly compute efficiency has increased as well as how quickly the models are improving.

                                                                                    In this context, assuming that humans will still be able to do high level planning anywhere near as well as an AI, say 3-5 years out, is almost ludicrous.

                                                                                    • _se 1 month ago
                                                                                      Reality check time for you: people were saying this exact thing 3 years ago. You cannot extrapolate like that.
                                                                                  • k__ 1 month ago
                                                                                    "I want to know that Microsoft, the company famous for dog-fooding is using this day in and day out, with success."

                                                                                    They just cut down their workforce, letting some of their AI people go. So, I assume there isn't that much success.

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                                                                                      • lacoolj 1 month ago
                                                                                        They have released numbers, but I can't say they are for this specific product or something else. They are apparently having AI generate "30%" of their code.

                                                                                        https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/29/microsoft-ceo-says-up-to-3...

                                                                                        • rcarmo 1 month ago
                                                                                          That article is wrong, that is not what was said.
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                                                                                        • mrcsharp 1 month ago
                                                                                          > Microsoft, the company famous for dog-fooding

                                                                                          This was true up around 15 years ago. Hasn't been the case since.

                                                                                          • ctkhn 1 month ago
                                                                                            That's great, our leadership is heavily pushing ai-generated tests! Lol
                                                                                            • codebolt 1 month ago
                                                                                              Whatever the true stats for mistakes or blunders are now, remember that this is the worst its ever going to be. And there is no clear ceiling in sight that would prevent it from quickly getting better and better, especially given the current levels of investment.
                                                                                              • _heimdall 1 month ago
                                                                                                That sounds reasonable enough, but the pace or end result is by no means guaranteed.

                                                                                                We have invested plenty of money and time into nuclear fusion with little progress. The list of key acheivments from CERN[1] is also meager in comparison to the investment put in, especially if you consider their ultimate goal to ultimately be towards applying research to more than just theory.

                                                                                                [1] https://home.cern/about/key-achievements

                                                                                            • Scene_Cast2 1 month ago
                                                                                              I tried doing some vibe coding on a greenfield project (using gemini 2.5 pro + cline). On one hand - super impressive, a major productivity booster (even compared to using a non-integrated LLM chat interface).

                                                                                              I noticed that LLMs need a very heavy hand in guiding the architecture, otherwise they'll add architectural tech debt. One easy example is that I noticed them breaking abstractions (putting things where they don't belong). Unfortunately, there's not that much self-retrospection on these aspects if you ask about the quality of the code or if there are any better ways of doing it. Of course, if you pick up that something is in the wrong spot and prompt better, they'll pick up on it immediately.

                                                                                              I also ended up blowing through $15 of LLM tokens in a single evening. (Previously, as a heavy LLM user including coding tasks, I was averaging maybe $20 a month.)

                                                                                              • candiddevmike 1 month ago
                                                                                                > I also ended up blowing through $15 of LLM tokens in a single evening.

                                                                                                This is a feature, not a bug. LLMs are going to be the next "OMG my AWS bill" phenomenon.

                                                                                                • Scene_Cast2 1 month ago
                                                                                                  Cline very visibly displays the ongoing cost of the task. Light edits are about 10 cents, and heavy stuff can run a couple of bucks. It's just that the tab accumulates faster than I expect.
                                                                                                  • eterm 1 month ago
                                                                                                    > Light edits are about 10 cents

                                                                                                    Some well-paid developers will excuse this with, "Well if it saved me 5 minutes, it's worth an order of magnitude than 10 cents".

                                                                                                    Which is true, however there's a big caveat: Time saved isn't time gained.

                                                                                                    You can "Save" 1,000 hours every night, but you don't actuall get those 1,000 hours back.

                                                                                                    • PretzelPirate 1 month ago
                                                                                                      > Cline very visibly displays the ongoing cost of the task

                                                                                                      LLMs are now being positioned as "let them work autonomously in the background" which means no one will be watching the cost in real time.

                                                                                                      Perhaps I can set limits on how much money each task is worth, but very few would estimate that properly.

                                                                                                    • Cthulhu_ 1 month ago
                                                                                                      Especially at companies (hence this github one), where the employees don't care about cost because it's the boss' credit card.
                                                                                                      • philkuz 1 month ago
                                                                                                        I think that models are gonna commoditize, if they haven't already. The cost of switching over is rather small, especially when you have good evals on what you want done.

                                                                                                        Also there's no way you can build a business without providing value in this space. Buyers are not that dumb.

                                                                                                        • raincole 1 month ago
                                                                                                          They are already quite commoditized. Commoditization doesn't mean "cheap", and it doesn't mean you won't spend $15 a night like the GP did.
                                                                                                      • BeetleB 1 month ago
                                                                                                        > I also ended up blowing through $15 of LLM tokens in a single evening.

                                                                                                        Consider using Aider, and aggressively managing the context (via /add, /drop and /clear).

                                                                                                        https://aider.chat/

                                                                                                        • gen220 1 month ago
                                                                                                          I, too, recommend aider whenever these discussions crop up; it converted me from the "AI tools suck" side of this discussion to the "you're using the wrong tool" side.

                                                                                                          I'd also recommend creating little `README`'s in your codebase that are mainly written with aider as the intended audience. In it, I'll explain architecture, what code makes (non-)sense to write in this directory, and so on. Has the side-effect of being helpful for humans, too.

                                                                                                          Nowadays when I'm editing with aider, I'll include the project README (which contains a project overview + pointers to other README's), and whatever README is most relevant to the scope of my session. It's super productive.

                                                                                                          I'm yet to find a model that beats the cost-effectiveness of Sonnet 3.7. I've tried the latest deepseek models, and while I love the price (nearly 50x cheaper?), it's just far too error-prone compared to Sonnet 3.7. It generates solid plans / architecture discussions, but, unlike Sonnet, the code it generates often confidently off-the-mark.

                                                                                                        • danenania 1 month ago
                                                                                                          My tool Plandex[1] allows you to switch between automatic and manual context management. It can be useful to begin a task with automatic context while scoping it out and making the high level plan, then switch to the more 'aider-style' manual context management once the relevant files are clearly established.

                                                                                                          1 - https://github.com/plandex-ai/plandex

                                                                                                          Also, a bit more on auto vs. manual context management in the docs: https://docs.plandex.ai/core-concepts/context-management

                                                                                                        • SkyPuncher 1 month ago
                                                                                                          I loathe using AI in a greenfield project. There are simply too many possible paths, so it seems to randomly switch between approaches.

                                                                                                          In a brownfield code base, I can often provide it reference files to pattern match against. So much easier to get great results when it can anchor itself in the rest of your code base.

                                                                                                          • imiric 1 month ago
                                                                                                            The trick for greenfield projects is to use it to help you design detailed specs and a tentative implementation plan. Just bounce some ideas off of it, as with a somewhat smarter rubber duck, and hone the design until you arrive at something you're happy with. Then feed the detailed implementation plan step by step to another model or session.

                                                                                                            This is a popular workflow I first read about here[1].

                                                                                                            This has been the most useful use case for LLMs for me. Actually getting them to implement the spec correctly is the hard part, and you'll have to take the reigns and course correct often.

                                                                                                            [1]: https://harper.blog/2025/02/16/my-llm-codegen-workflow-atm/

                                                                                                          • jollyllama 1 month ago
                                                                                                            The trouble occurs when the brownfield project is crap already.
                                                                                                          • tmpz22 1 month ago
                                                                                                            While its being touted for Greenfield projects I've notices a lot of failures when it comes to bootstrapping a stack.

                                                                                                            For example it (Gemini 2.5) really struggles with newer ecosystem like Fastapi when wiring libraries like SQLAlchemy, Pytest, Python-playwright, etc., together.

                                                                                                            I find more value in bootstrapping myself, and then using it to help with boiler plate once an effective safety harness is in place.

                                                                                                            • jim180 1 month ago
                                                                                                              I've vibe coded small project as well using Claude Code. It's about visitors registration at the company. Simple project, one form, a couple of checkboxes, everything is stored in sqlite + has endpoint for getting .xlsx.

                                                                                                              Initial cost was around $20 USD, which later grew to (mostly polishing) $40 with some manual work.

                                                                                                              I've intentionally picked up simple stack: html+js+php.

                                                                                                              A couple of things:

                                                                                                              * I'd say I'm happy about the result from product's perspective * Codebase could be better, but I could not care less about in this case * By default, AI does not care about security unless I specifically tell it * Claude insisted on using old libs. When I've specifically told it to use the latest and greatest, it upgraded them but left code that works just with an old version. Also it mixed latest DaisyUI with some old version of tailwindcss :)

                                                                                                              On one hand it was super easy and fun to do, on the other hand if I was a junior engineer, I bet it would have cost more.

                                                                                                              • jstummbillig 1 month ago
                                                                                                                If you want to use Cline and are at all price sensitive (in these ranges) you have to do manual context management just for that reason. I find that too cumbersome and use Windsurf (currently with Gemini 2.5 pro) for that reason.
                                                                                                                • shepherdjerred 1 month ago
                                                                                                                  $15 in an evening sounds like a great deal when you consider the cost of highly-paid software engineers
                                                                                                                  • echelon 1 month ago
                                                                                                                    > highly-paid software engineers

                                                                                                                    For now.

                                                                                                                    • ipaddr 1 month ago
                                                                                                                      The money won't be flowing forever. This will cost you $6,000 a year.
                                                                                                                      • shepherdjerred 1 month ago
                                                                                                                        A new grad at a FANG costs ~$200k-$250k a year after benefits
                                                                                                                    • falcor84 1 month ago
                                                                                                                      > LLMs need a very heavy hand in guiding the architecture, otherwise they'll add architectural tech debt

                                                                                                                      I wonder if the next phase would be the rise of (AI-driven?) "linters" that check that the implementation matches the architecture definition.

                                                                                                                      • dontlikeyoueith 1 month ago
                                                                                                                        And now we've come full circle back to UML-based code generation.

                                                                                                                        Everything old is new again!

                                                                                                                      • FeepingCreature 1 month ago
                                                                                                                        I think it's just that it's not end-to-end trained on architecture because the horizon is too short. It doesn't have the context length to learn the lessons that we do about good design.
                                                                                                                        • akmarinov 1 month ago
                                                                                                                          > I noticed that LLMs need a very heavy hand in guiding the architecture, otherwise they'll add architectural tech debt. One easy example is that I noticed them breaking abstractions

                                                                                                                          That doesn’t matter anymore when you’re vibe coding it. No human is going to look at it anyway.

                                                                                                                          It can all be if/else on one line in one file. If it works and if the LLMs can work at, iterate and implement new business requirements, while keeping performance and security - code structure, quality and readability don’t matter one bit.

                                                                                                                          Customers don’t care about code quality and the only reason businesses used to care is to make it less money consuming to build and ship new things, so they can make more money.

                                                                                                                          • theappsecguy 1 month ago
                                                                                                                            Wild take. Let’s just hand over the keys to LLMs I suppose, the fancy next token predictor is the capitan now.
                                                                                                                            • mattlondon 1 month ago
                                                                                                                              Not that wild TBH.

                                                                                                                              This is a common view, and I think will be the norm on the near-to-mid term, especially for basic CRUD apps and websites. Context windows are still too small for anything even slightly complex (I think we need to be at about 20m before we start match human levels), but we'll be there before you know it.

                                                                                                                              Engineers will essentially become people who just guide the AIs and verify tests.

                                                                                                                            • FeepingCreature 1 month ago
                                                                                                                              LLMs need a very heavy hand in guiding the architecture because otherwise they'll code it in a way that even they can't maintain or expand.
                                                                                                                              • akmarinov 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                Hook up something like Taskmaster or Shrimp, so that they can document as they go along and they can retrieve relevant context when they overflow their context to avoid this issue.

                                                                                                                                Then as the context window increases, it’s less and less of an issue

                                                                                                                            • dyauspitr 1 month ago
                                                                                                                              I don’t get it? Isn’t it just a monthly fixed subscription.
                                                                                                                              • metaltyphoon 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                For now. Who is to say in 5 years where everyone makes this THE default workflow things work go up in price?
                                                                                                                                • Scene_Cast2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                  Nope - I use a-la-carte pricing (through openrouter). I much prefer it over a subscription, as there are zero limits, I pay only for what I use, and there is much less of a walled garden (I can easily switch between Anthropic, Google, etc).
                                                                                                                                  • dyauspitr 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                    I’m running o3 dozens of times a day all for the subscription price of $20. Surely this is way more cost effective.
                                                                                                                                    • FeepingCreature 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                      Same here, same reasons!
                                                                                                                                  • karn97 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                    Average coders, terrible engineers
                                                                                                                                  • nodja 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                    I wish they optimized things before adding more crap that will slow things down even more. The only thing that's fast with copilot is the autocomplete, it sometimes takes several minutes to make edits on a 100 line file regardless of the model I pick (some are faster than others). If these models had a close to 100% hit rate this would be somewhat fine, but going back and forth with something that takes this long is not productive. It's literally faster to open claude/chatgpt on a new tab and paste the question and code there and paste it back into vscode than using their ask/edit/agent tools.

                                                                                                                                    I've cancelled my copilot subscription last week and when it expires in two weeks I'll mostly likely shift to local models for autocomplete/simple stuff.

                                                                                                                                    • brushfoot 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                      My experience has mostly been the opposite -- changes to several-hundred-line files usually only take a few seconds.

                                                                                                                                      That said, months ago I did experience the kind of slow agent edit times you mentioned. I don't know where the bottleneck was, but it hasn't come back.

                                                                                                                                      I'm on library WiFi right now, "vibe coding" (as much as I dislike that term) a new tool for my customers using Copilot, and it's snappy.

                                                                                                                                      • nodja 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                        Here's a video of what it looks like with sonnet 3.7.

                                                                                                                                        https://streamable.com/rqlr84

                                                                                                                                        The claude and gemini models tend to be the slowest (yes, including flash). 4o is currently the fastest but still not great.

                                                                                                                                        • NicuCalcea 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                          For me, the speed varies from day to day (Sonnet 3.7), but I've never seen it this slow.
                                                                                                                                      • notsylver 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                        I've had this too, especially it getting stuck at the very end and just.. never finishing. Once the usage-based billing comes into effect I think I'll try cursor again. What local models are you using? The local models I tried for autocomplete were unusable, though based on aiders benchmark I never really tried with larger models for chat. If I could I would love to go local-only instead.
                                                                                                                                        • BeetleB 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                          Several minutes? Something is seriously wrong. For most models, it takes seconds.
                                                                                                                                          • nodja 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                            2m27s for a partial response editing a 178 line file (it failed with an error, which seems to happen a lot with claude, but that's another issue).

                                                                                                                                            https://streamable.com/rqlr84

                                                                                                                                            • porridgeraisin 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              It takes minutes for me too sometimes.

                                                                                                                                              Cursor is quicker, I guess it's a response parsing thing - when they make the decision to show it in the UI.

                                                                                                                                          • bencyoung 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                            • sensanaty 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              That first PR (115733) would make me quit after a week if we were to implement this crap at my job and someone forced me to babysit an AI in its PRs in this fashion. The others are also rough.

                                                                                                                                              A wall of noise that tells you nothing of any substance but with an authoritative tone as if what it's doing is objective and truthful - Immediately followed by:

                                                                                                                                              - The 8 actual lines of code (discounting the tests & boilerplate) it wrote to actually fix the issue is being questioned by the person reviewing the code, it seems he's not convinced this is actually fixing what it should be fixing.

                                                                                                                                              - Not running the "comprehensive" regression tests at all

                                                                                                                                              - When they do run, they fail

                                                                                                                                              - When they get "fixed" oh-so confidently, they still fail. Fifty-nine failing checks. Some of these tests take upward of an hour to run.

                                                                                                                                              So the reviewer here has to read all the generated slop in the PR description and try to grok what the PR is about, read through the changes himself anyway (thankfully it's only a ~50 line diff in this situation, but imagine if this was a large refactor of some sort with a dozen files changed), and then drag it by the hand multiple times to try fix issues it itself is causing. All the while you have to tag the AI as if it's another colleague and talk to it as if it's not just going to spit out whatever inane bullshit it thinks you want to hear based on the question asked. Test failed? Well, tests fixed! (no, they weren't)

                                                                                                                                              And we're supposed to be excited about having this crap thrust on us, with clueless managers being sold on this being a replacement for an actual dev? We're being told this is what peak efficiency looks like?

                                                                                                                                            • acdha 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              Thanks, that’s really interesting to see - especially with the exchange around whether something is the problem or the symptom, where the confident tone belies the lack of understanding. As an open source maintainer I wonder about the best way to limit usage to cases where someone has time to spend on those interactions.
                                                                                                                                              • bencyoung 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                Seems amazing similar to the changes a junior would make (jump to the solution that "fixes" it in the most shallow way) at the moment
                                                                                                                                              • bearjaws 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                That first PR is rough. Why does it have to wait for a comment to fix failing tests?
                                                                                                                                                • yahoozoo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                  lol, those first two… poor Stephen
                                                                                                                                                  • replwoacause 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                    Thanks. I wonder what model they're using under the hood? I have such a good experience working with Cline and Claude Sonnet 3.7 and a comparatively much worse time with anything Github offers. These PRs are pretty consistent with the experience I've had in the IDE too. Incidentally, what has MSFT done to Claude Sonnet 3.7 in VSCode? It's like they lobotomized it compared to using it through Cline or the API directly. Trying to save on tokens or something?
                                                                                                                                                  • bionhoward 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                    Major scam alert, they are training on your code in private repos if you use this

                                                                                                                                                    You can tell because they advertise “Pro” and “Pro+” but then the FAQ reads,

                                                                                                                                                    > Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model? > No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.

                                                                                                                                                    Aka, even paid individuals plans are getting brain raped

                                                                                                                                                    • manmal 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                      • dankwizard 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                        If you're programming on Windows, your screen is being screenshotted every few seconds anyway. If you don't think OCR isn't analysing everything resembling a letter on your screen boy do I have some news for you.
                                                                                                                                                        • malfist 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                          Windows recall is not installed by default
                                                                                                                                                          • dankwizard 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                            Windows Recall is the local storage, user enabled AI thing. Not what I was talking about.
                                                                                                                                                      • jagged-chisel 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                        I’ve been trying to use Copilot for a few days to get some help writing against code stored on GitHub.

                                                                                                                                                        Copilot has been pretty useless. It couldn’t maintain context for more than two exchanges.

                                                                                                                                                        Copilot: here’s some C code to do that

                                                                                                                                                        Me: convert that to $OTHER_LANGUAGE

                                                                                                                                                        Copilot: what code would you like me to convert?

                                                                                                                                                        Me: the code you just generated

                                                                                                                                                        Copilot: if you can upload a file or share a link to the code, I can help you translate it …

                                                                                                                                                        It points me in a direction that’s a minimum of 15 degrees off true north (“true north” being the goal for which I am coding), usually closer to 90 degrees. When I ask for code, it hallucinates over half of the API calls.

                                                                                                                                                        • 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                          • rcarmo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                            Be more methodical, it isn’t magic: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2025/05/13/2230
                                                                                                                                                            • jagged-chisel 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                              I’m sure you have no idea what my method is. Besides, this whole “you’re holding it wrong” mentality isn’t productive - our technology should be adapting to us, we shouldn’t need to adapt ourselves to it.

                                                                                                                                                              Anyway, I can just use another LLM that serves me better.

                                                                                                                                                          • shwouchk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                            I played around with it quite a bit. it is both impressive and scary. most importantly, it tends to indiscriminately use dependencies from random tiny repos, and often enough not the correct ones, for major projects. buyer beware.
                                                                                                                                                            • PhilipRoman 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                              This is something I've noticed as well with different AIs. They seem to disproportionately trust data read from the web. For example, I asked to check if some obvious phishing pages were scams and multiple times I got just a summary of the content as if it was authoritative. Several times I've gotten some random chinese repo with 2 stars presented as if it was the industry standard solution, since that's what it said in the README.

                                                                                                                                                              On an unrelated note, it also suggested I use the "Strobe" protocol for encryption and sent me to https://strobe.cool which is ironic considering that page is all about making one hallucinate.

                                                                                                                                                              • avs733 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                >They seem to disproportionately trust data read from the web.

                                                                                                                                                                I doubt LLM's have anything like what we would conceptualize as trust. They have information, which is regurgitated because it is activated as relevant.

                                                                                                                                                                That being said, many humans don't really have a strong concept of information validation as part of day to day action and thinking. Development theory talks about this in terms of 'formal operational' thinking and 'personal epistemology' - basically how does thinking happen and then how is knowledge in those models conceptualized. Learning Sciences research generally talks about Piaget and formal operational before adulthood and stages of personal epistemology in higher education.

                                                                                                                                                                Research consistently suggests that about 50% of adults are not able to consistently operate in the formal thinking space. The behavior you are talking about is also typical of 'absolutist' epistemic perspectives where answers are right or wrong and aren't meaningfully evaluated - just identifed as relevant or not. Evaluating the credibility of information is that it comes from a source that is trusted - most often an authority figure - it is not the role of the person knowing it.

                                                                                                                                                                • jaymzcampbell 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                  > ... sent me to...

                                                                                                                                                                  Oh wow, that was great - particularly if I then look at my own body parts (like my palm) that I know are not moving, it's particularly disturbing. That's a really well done effect, I've seen something similar but nothing quite like that.

                                                                                                                                                                  • meindnoch 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                    >On an unrelated note, it also suggested I use the "Strobe" protocol for encryption and sent me to https://strobe.cool which is ironic considering that page is all about making one hallucinate.

                                                                                                                                                                    That's not hallucination. That's just an optical illusion.

                                                                                                                                                                  • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for flagging this! That isn't a behavior I've seen before in testing, and I'd love to dig into it more to see what's happening.

                                                                                                                                                                    Would you be able to drop me an email? My address is my HN login @github.com.

                                                                                                                                                                    (I work on the product team for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                    • yellow_lead 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                      Given that PRs run actions in a more trusted context for private repos, this is a bit concerning.
                                                                                                                                                                      • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                        As we've built Copilot coding agent, we've put a lot of thought and work into our security story.

                                                                                                                                                                        One of the things we've done here is to treat Copilot's commits like commits from a first-time contributor to an open source project.

                                                                                                                                                                        When Copilot pushes changes, your GitHub Actions workflows won't run by default, and you'll have to click the "Approve and run workflows" button in the merge box.

                                                                                                                                                                        That gives you the chance to run Copilot's code before it runs in Actions and has access to your secrets.

                                                                                                                                                                        (Source: I'm on the product team for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                        • ThierryAbalea 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                          The announcement https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/github-copilo... seems to position GitHub Actions as a core part of the Copilot coding agent’s architecture. From what I understand in the documentation and your comment, GitHub Actions is triggered later in the flow, mainly for security reasons. Just to clarify, is GitHub Actions also used in the development environment of the agent, or only after the code is generated and pushed?
                                                                                                                                                                          • yellow_lead 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                            Nice! Thanks for that info
                                                                                                                                                                        • cmrdporcupine 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                          So like the typical junior developer, then.
                                                                                                                                                                          • porridgeraisin 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                            No, lol. Even the enthusiastic junior developer would go around pestering people asking if the dependency is OK.
                                                                                                                                                                            • th0ma5 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                              No, not at all. Why do people keep saying shit like these thought terminating sentences. Try to see the glass of Kool Aid please. People are trying to understand how to communicate important valuable things about failure states and you're advocating ignorance.
                                                                                                                                                                              • sensanaty 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                Because the marketing started with "This is literally the singularity and will take over everything and everyone's jobs".

                                                                                                                                                                                Then people realized that was BS, so the marketing moved on to "This will enhance everyone's jobs, as a companion that will help everyone".

                                                                                                                                                                                People also realized that was pure BS. A few more marketing rebrands later and we're at the current situation where we try to equate it to the lowest possible rung of employee they can think of, because surely Junior == Incompetent Idiot You Can't Trust Not To Waste Your Time†. The funny part is that they have been objectively and undeniably only getting better since the early days of the hype bubble, yet the push now is that they're "basically junior level!". Speaks volumes IMO, how those goal posts keep getting moved whenever people actually use these systems in the real work.

                                                                                                                                                                                ---

                                                                                                                                                                                † IMO every single Junior I've ever worked with has been some of the best moments of my career. It allowed space for me to grow my own knowledge, while I get to talk to and help someone extremely passionate if a bit overeager. This stance on Juniors is, frankly, baffling to me because it's so far from my experiences with how they tend to work, oftentimes they're a million times better than those "10x rockstars" you hear about all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                          • allthenopes25 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                            "Drowning in technical debt?"

                                                                                                                                                                            Stop fighting and sink!

                                                                                                                                                                            But rest assured that with Github Copilot Coding Agent, your codebase will develop larger and larger volumes of new, exciting, underexplored technical debt that you can't be blamed for, and your colleagues will follow you into the murky depths soon.

                                                                                                                                                                            • muglug 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                              > Copilot excels at low-to-medium complexity tasks

                                                                                                                                                                              Oh cool!

                                                                                                                                                                              > in well-tested codebases

                                                                                                                                                                              Oh ok never mind

                                                                                                                                                                              • lukehoban 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                As peer commenters have noted, coding agent can be really good at improving test coverage when needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                But also as a slightly deeper observation - agentic coding tools really do benefit significantly from good test coverage. Tests are a way to “box in” the agent and allow it to check its work regularly. While they aren’t necessary for these tools to work, they can enable coding agents to accomplish a lot more on your behalf.

                                                                                                                                                                                (I work on Copilot coding agent)

                                                                                                                                                                                • CSMastermind 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                  In my experience they write a lot of pointless tests that technically increase coverage while not actually adding much more value than a good type system/compiler would.

                                                                                                                                                                                  They also have a tendency to suppress errors instead of fixing them, especially when the right thing to do is throw an error on some edge case.

                                                                                                                                                                              • throwaway12361 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                In my experience it works well even without good testing, at least for greenfield projects. It just works best if there are already tests when creating updates and patches.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • abraham 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                    Have it write tests for everything and then you've got a well tested codebase.
                                                                                                                                                                                    • danielbln 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                      Caveat empor, I've seen some LLMs mock the living hell out of everything, to the point of not testing much of anything. Something to be aware of.
                                                                                                                                                                                      • yen223 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                        I've seen too many human operators do that too. Definitely a problem to watch out for
                                                                                                                                                                                      • eikenberry 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                        You forgot the /s
                                                                                                                                                                                    • boomskats 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                      My buddy is at GH working on an adjacent project & he hasn't stopped talking about this for the last few days. I think I've been reminded to 'make sure I tune into the keynote on Monday' at least 8 times now.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I gave up trying to watch the stream after the third authentication timeout, but if I'd known it was this I'd maybe have tried a fourth time.

                                                                                                                                                                                      • tmpz22 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                        I’m always hesitant to listen to the line coders on projects because they’re getting a heavy dose of the internal hype every day.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I’d love for this to blow past cursor. Will definitely tune in to see it.

                                                                                                                                                                                        • dontlikeyoueith 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                          >I’m always hesitant to listen to the line coders on projects because they’re getting a heavy dose of the internal hype every day.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm senior enough that I get to frequently see the gap between what my dev team thinks of our work and what actual customers think.

                                                                                                                                                                                          As a result, I no longer care at all what developers (including myself on my own projects) think about the quality of the thing they've built.

                                                                                                                                                                                          • sethammons 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                            These do not need to be mutually exclusive. Define the quality of the software in terms of customer experience and give developers ownership to improve those markers. You can think service level objectives.

                                                                                                                                                                                            In many cases, this means pushing for more stable deployments which requires other quality improvements.

                                                                                                                                                                                        • throwaway12361 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                          Word of advice: just go to YouTube and skip the MS registration tax
                                                                                                                                                                                          • unshavedyak 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                            What specific keynote are they referring to? I'm curious, but thus far my searches have failed
                                                                                                                                                                                        • quantadev 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                          I love Copilot in VSCode. I have it set to use Claude most of the time, but it let's you pick your fav LLM, for it to use. I just open the files I'm going to refactor, type into the chat window what I want done, click 'accept' on every code change it recommends in it's answer, causing VSCode to auto-merge the changes into my code. Couldn't possibly be simpler. Then I scrutinize and test. If anything went wrong I just use GitLens to rollback the change, but that's very rare.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Especially now that Copilot supports MCP I can plug in my own custom "Tools" (i.e. Function calling done by the AI Agent), and I have everything I need. Never even bothered trying Cursor or Windsurf, which i'm sure are great too, but _mainly_ since they're just forks of VSCode, as the IDE.

                                                                                                                                                                                          • SkyBelow 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                            Have you tried the agent mode instead of the ask mode? With just a bit more prompting, it does a pretty good job of finding the files it needs to use on its own. Then again, I've only used it in smaller projects so larger ones might need more manual guidance.
                                                                                                                                                                                            • quantadev 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                              I assumed I was using 'Agent mode' but now that you mentioned it, I checked and you're right I've been in 'Ask mode' instead. oops. So thanks for the tip!

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm looking forward to seeing how Agent Mode is better. Copilot has been such a great experience so far I haven't tried to keep up with every little new feature they add, and I've fallen behind.

                                                                                                                                                                                              • SkyBelow 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                I find agent mode much more powerful as it can search your code base for further reference and even has access to other systems (I haven't seen exactly what is the other level of access, I'm guessing it isn't full access to the web but it can access certain only info repositories). I do find it sometime a little over eager to do instead of explain, so Ask mode is still useful when you want explanations. It also appears that agent has the search capabilities while ask does not, but it might also be something recently added to both and I just don't recall it from being in ask mode as I'm use to the past when it wasn't present.
                                                                                                                                                                                            • rcarmo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                              Try doing https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2025/05/13/2230, you’ll have some fun,
                                                                                                                                                                                              • quantadev 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                I've come to the same conclusions mentioned in most of that and done most of that already. I was an early-adopter of LLM tech, and have my own coding agent system, written in python. Soon I'm about to port those tools over to MCP so that I can just use VSCode for most everything, and never even need my Gradio Chatbot that I wrote to learn how to write tools, and use tools.

                                                                                                                                                                                                My favorite tool that I've written is one that simply lets me specify named blocks by name, in a prompt, and AI figures out how to use the tool to read each block. A named block is defined like:

                                                                                                                                                                                                # block_begin MyBlock ...lines of code # block_end

                                                                                                                                                                                                So I can just embed those blocks around the code rather change pasting into prompts.

                                                                                                                                                                                            • fvold 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                              The biggest change Copilot has done for me so far is to have me replace my VSCode with VSCodium to be sure it doesn't sneak any uploading of my code to a third party without my knowing.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm all for new tech getting introduced and made useful, but let's make it all opt in, shall we?

                                                                                                                                                                                              • qwertox 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                Care to explain? Where are they uploading code to?
                                                                                                                                                                                                • bluefirebrand 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Whatever servers run Copilot for code suggestions

                                                                                                                                                                                                  That isn't running locally

                                                                                                                                                                                              • lofaszvanitt 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                • moi2388 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                  “ Copilot excels at low-to-medium complexity tasks”

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then we have very different interpretations of what constitutes a medium complexity task

                                                                                                                                                                                                  • rullelito 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Medium complexity tasks in our training set*
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • jerpint 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                    These kinds of patterns allow compute to take much more time than a single chat since it is asynchronous by nature, which I think is necessary to get to working solutions on harder problems
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • lukehoban 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes. This is a really key part of why Copilot coding agent feels very different to use than Copilot agent mode in VS Code.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In coding agent, we encourage the agent to be very thorough in its work, and to take time to think deeply about the problem. It builds and tests code regularly to ensure it understands the impact of changes as it makes them, and stops and thinks regularly before taking action.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      These choices would feel too “slow” in a synchronous IDE based experience, but feel natural in a “assign to a peer collaborator” UX. We lean into this to provide as rich of a problem solving agentic experience as possible.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      (I’m working on Copilot coding agent)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Arubis 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm building RSOLV (https://rsolv.dev) as an alternative approach to GitHub's Copilot agent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Our key differentiator is cross-platform support - we work with Jira, Linear, GitHub, and GitLab - rather than limiting teams to GitHub's ecosystem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      GitHub's approach is technically impressive, but our experience suggests organizations derive more value from targeted automation that integrates with existing workflows rather than requiring teams to change their processes. This is particularly relevant for regulated industries where security considerations supersede feature breadth. Not everyone can just jump off of Jira on moment's notice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Curious about others' experiences with integrating AI into your platforms and tools. Has ecosystem lock-in affected your team's productivity or tool choices?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      • mrmansano 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, the savings calculator in your website made me sad, that's the first time I've seen it put that way. I know it's marketing but props to you for being sincere. At least you're not hiding the intentions of your service (like others).
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Arubis 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, the ROI calculator's target audience is the folks with the checkbook, so it needs to be a dollar figure. My _actual_ hope is that this lets engineers focus on feature work (which is typically more rewarding anyway) without constantly bashing their heads against the tech debt and maintenance work they're effectively barred from performing until it becomes emergent and actively blocking.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • nautilus12 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why don't you focus on automating your CEO's job, a comparatively easy task compared to automating engineering tasks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Arubis 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know that's a bit kneejerk, but I actually think that's a pretty reasonable question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Automating the reputation and network of an individual person doesn't seem like a good fit for an LLM, regardless of the person. But the _decisionmaking_ capacities for a position that's largely trend-following is something that's at the very least well-supported by interacting with a well-trained model.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            In my mind, though, that doesn't look like a niched service that you sell to a company. That looks like a cofounder-type for someone with an idea and a technical background. If you want to build something but need help figuring out how to market and sell it, you could do a lot worse than just chatting with Claude right now and taking much of its advice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            That might just by my own lack of bizdev expertise, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        • asadm 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                          In the early days on LLM, I had developed an "agent" using github actions + issues workflow[1], similar to how this works. It was very limited but kinda worked ie. you assign it a bug and it fired an action, did some architect/editing tasks, validated changes and finally sent a PR.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Good to see an official way of doing this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. https://github.com/asadm/chota

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Abhishek_37 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Is there anything that satisfies the people here ? Copilot today is perhaps the only AI that is actually assisting for something productive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Microsoft, besides maybe Google and OpenAI, are the only ones that are actually exploring towards the practical usefulness of AIs. Other kiddies like Sonnet and whatnot are still chasing meaningless numbers and benchmarking scores, that sort of stuff may appeal to high school kids or immatures but burning billions of dollars and energy resources just to sound like a cool kid?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • kookamamie 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Which GitHub subscription level is required for the agent?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I found it very confusing - we have GH Business, with Copilot active. Could not find a way to upgrade our Copilot to the level required by the agent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I tried using my personal Copilot for the purpose of trialing the agent - again, a no-go, as my Copilot is "managed" by the organization I'm part of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, you will want to add more control over to who can assign things to Copilot Agent - just having write access to the repository is a poor descriminator, I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • xur17 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm running into the same issue. I think you have to upgrade your entire organization to "enterprise", which comes with a per seat cost increase (separate from the cost of copilot).
                                                                                                                                                                                                            • joelthelion 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know, I feel this is the wrong level to place the AI at this moment. Chat-based AI programming (such as Aider) offers more control, while being almost as convenient.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              • caseysoftware 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                So, fun thing.. LinkedIn doesn't use Copilot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I recently created an course for LinkedIn Learning using generative AI for creating SDKs[0]. When I was onsite with them to record it, I found my Github Copilot calls kept failing.. with a network error. Wha?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Turns out that LinkedIn doesn't allow people onsite to to Copilot so I had to put my Mifi in the window and connect to that to do my work. It's wild.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Btw, I love working with LinkedIn and have 15+ courses with them in the last decade. This is the only issue I've ever had.. but it was the least expected one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                0: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/build-with-ai-building-bet...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • peterson_lock 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  > LinkedIn doesn't use Copilot

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They definitely use it for full-time SWEs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Source: I work there

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • sync 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anthropic just announced the same thing for Claude Code, same day: https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/claude-code/github-action...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                • alvis 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  God save the juniors...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 2OEH8eoCRo0 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kicking the can down the road. So we can all produce more code faster but there is NSB. Most of my time isn't spent writing the code anyway.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • softwaredoug 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is Copilot a classic case of slow megacorp gets outflanked by more creative and unhindered newcomers (ie Cursor)?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It seems Copilot could have really owned the vibe coding space. But that didn’t happen. I wonder why? Lots of ideas gummed up in organizational inefficiencies, etc?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • ilaksh 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is a direct threat to Cursor. The smarter the models get, the less often programmers really need to dig into an IDE, even one with AI in it. Give it a couple of years and there will be a lot of projects that were done just by assigning tasks where no one even opened Cursor or anything.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • net01 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        on a other note https://github.com/github/dmca/pull/17700 GitHub's automated auto-merged DMCA sync PRs get automated copilot reviews for every single one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AMAZING

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • kondu 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The worst thing about LLMs getting commoditized and becoming cheaper is seeing slop like this pollute every meaningful discussion on the internet
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • OutOfHere 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          GitHub had this exact feature late last year itself, perhaps under a slightly different name.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think you're probably thinking of Copilot Workspace (<https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/github-copilo...>).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Copilot Workspace could take a task, implement it and create a PR - but it had a linear, highly structured flow, and wasn't deeply integrated into the GitHub tools that developers already use like issues and PRs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            With Copilot coding agent, we're taking all of the great work on Copilot Workspace, and all the learnings and feedback from that project, and integrating it more deeply into GitHub and really leveraging the capabilities of 2025's models, which allow the agent to be more fluid, asynchronous and autonomous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (Source: I'm the product lead for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • throwup238 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Are you thinking if Copilot Workspaces?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That seemed to drop off the Github changelog after February. I’m wondering if that team got reallocated to the copilot agent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • WorldMaker 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Probably. Also this new feature seems like an expansion/refinement of Copilot Workspaces to better fit the classic Github UX: "assign an issue to Copilot to get a PR" sounds exactly like the workflow Copilot Workspaces wanted to have when it grew up.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • guestbest 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I go back and forth between ChatGPT and copilot in vs code. It really makes the grammar guessing much easier in objc. It’s not as good on libraries and none existent on 3rd party libraries, but that isn’t maybe because I challenge it enough. It makes tons of flow and grammar errors which are so easy to spot that I end up using the code most of the time after a small correction. I’m optimistic about the future especially since this is only costing me $10 a month. I have dozens of iOS apps to update. All of them are basically productivity apps that I use and sell so double plus good.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • OutOfHere 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Which model does it use? Will this let me select which model to use? I have seen a big difference in the type of code that different models produce, although their prompts may be to blame/credit in part.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • qwertox 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I assume you can select whichever one you want (GPT-4o, o3-mini, Claude 3.5, 3.7, 3.7 thinking, Gemini 2.0 Flash, GPT=4.1 and the previews o1, Gemini 2.5 Pro and 04-mini), subject to the pricing multiplicators they announced recently [0].

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edit: From the TFA: Using the agent consumes GitHub Actions minutes and Copilot premium requests, starting from entitlements included with your plan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    [0] https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/managing-copilot/monitori...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      At the moment, we're using Claude 3.7 Sonnet - but we're keeping our options open to experiment with other models and potentially bring in a model picker.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (Source: I'm on the product team for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • ravedave5 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was trying to find information on this on the internet and couldn't find any, thanks for providing. Interestingly enough Copilot coding agent on github.com repeatedly could not complete css changes correctly, when I switched to Agent mode in the project IDE with Claude 3.7 it was able to complete it in one round, so I assumed that there was a different model.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • OutOfHere 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Do you at least control the prompt?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In my experience using Claude Sonnet 3.7 in GitHub Copilot extension in VSCode, the model produced hideously verbose code, completely unnecessary stuff. GPT-4.1 was a breath of fresh air.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • sethops1 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          > Copilot coding agent is rolling out to GitHub Mobile users on iOS and Android, as well as GitHub CLI.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wait, is this going to pollute the `gh` tool? Please tell me this isn't happening.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't worry - this is 100% opt in. We've just added the ability to assign Copilot to an issue from `gh issue edit` and other similar commands.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (Source: I'm on the product team for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • FergusArgyll 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ubuntu@pc:~$ gh --help

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sure! How can I help you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • yobid20 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So far, i am VERY unimpressed by this. It gets everything completely wrong and tells me lies and completely false information about my code. Cursor is 100000000x better.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • qwertox 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In hindsight it was a mistake that Google killed Google Code. Then again, I guess they wouldn't have put enough effort into it to develop into a real GitHub alternative.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now Microsoft sits on a goldmine of source code and has the ability to offer AI integration even to private repositories. I can upload my code into a private repo and discuss it with an AI.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The only thing Google can counter with would be to build tools which developers install locally, but even then I guess that the integration would be limited.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And considering that Microsoft owns the "coding OS" VS Code, it makes Google look even worse. Let's see what they come up with tomorrow at Google I/O, but I doubt that it will be a serious competition for Microsoft. Maybe for OpenAI, if they're smart, but not for Microsoft.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • hidelooktropic 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                UX-wise...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I kind of love the idea that all of this works in the familiar flow of raising an issue and having a magic coder swoop in and making a pull request.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At the same time, I have been spoiled by Cursor. I feel I would end up preferring that the magic coder is right there with me in the IDE where I can run things and make adjustments without having to do a followup request or comment on a line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • anonzzzies 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So can I switch this to high contrast Black on White on mobile instead? I cannot read any of this (in the bright sunlight where I am) without pulling it through a reader app. People do get why books and other reading materials are not published grey on black, right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • accurrent 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wonder what the coding agent story will be for bespoke hardware. For instance I'd like to test somethings out on a specific gpu which isnt available on github. Can I configure my own runners and hope for the beat? What about bespoke microcontroller?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • nicative 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How does that compare to using agent mode in VS Code? Is the main difference that the files are being edited remotely instead of on your own machine, or is there something different about the AI powering the remote agent compared to the local one?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • theusus 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have been so far disappointed by copilot's offerings. It's just not good enough for anything valuable. I don't want you to write my getter and setter. And call it a day.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • azhenley 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Looks like their GitHub Copilot Workspace.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-workspace

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • herbst 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It could be an amazing product. But the aggressive marketing approach from Microsoft plastering "CoPilot" everywhere makes me want to try every alternative.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • m3kw9 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How good does your test suite and code base have to be for the agent to verify re fix properly including testing things to at can be broken else where?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • bagol 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Lately, vscode updates are all about copilot
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • tracyhenry 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm honestly surprised by so much hate. IMHO it's more important to look at 1) the progress we've made + what this can potentially do in 5 years and 2) how much it's already helping people write code than dismissing it based on its current state.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • sudhar172 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nice
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • r0ckarong 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Check in unreviewed slop straight into the codebase. Awesome.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • timrogers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Copilot pushes its work to a branch and creates a pull request, and then it's up to you to review its work, approve and merge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Copilot literally can't push directly to the default branch - we don't give it the ability to do that - precisely because we believe that all AI-generated code (just like human generated code) should be carefully reviewed before it goes to production.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (Source: I'm the product lead for Copilot coding agent.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • odiroot 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm waiting for the first unicorn that uses just vibe coding.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • erikerikson 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I expect it to be a security nightmare
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • olex 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          > Once Copilot is done, it’ll tag you for review. You can ask Copilot to make changes by leaving comments in the pull request.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          To me, this reads like it'll be a good junior and open up a PR with its changes, letting you (the issue author) review and merge. Of course, you can just hit "merge" without looking at the changes, but then it's kinda on you when unreviewed stuff ends up in main.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • tmpz22 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A good junior has strong communication skills, humility, asks many good questions, has imagination, and a tremendous amount of human potential.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • th0ma5 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Has a point of view, a clear motive, ability to think holistically about things that are hard to digitize, get mad and clean up a bunch of stuff absolutely correctly because they're finally just "sick of all of this shit", or, conservatively isolates legacy code, studying it and creating buffering wrappers for the new system in pieces as the legacy issues are mitigated with a long term strategy. Each move is discussed with their peers. etc etc etc thank you for advocating sanity!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • DeepYogurt 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Management: "Why aren't you going faster now that the AI generates all the code and we fired half the dev team?"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • postalrat 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now developers can produce 20x the slop and refactor at 5x speed.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • namaria 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So a 4x slowdown?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • OutOfHere 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In my experience in VSCode, Claude 3.7 produced more unsolicited slop, whereas GPT-4.1 didn't. Claude aggressively paid attention to type compatibility. Each model would have its strengths.
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