The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

198 points by Kaibeezy 1 month ago | 381 comments
  • layer8 1 month ago
    • unhappy_meaning 1 month ago
      In almost all of SE Asia, especially Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, all of the toilets come with a hand-held sprayer. They also had this in the Doha airport and I'm not sure how common this style is outside of SE Asia but I'm guessing it's common. Japanese style bidets are very common in Korean households as well and I'm sure its easily a billion dollar business.

      It is nice but the functionality is quite difficult for a person who's not used to this whatsoever. After you're done sh*ing, you grab the handheld sprayer and turn it upside down and reach behind you toward your butt and try as best as you can to aim it into your anus to wash as best as you can. People who have been doing this their whole lives can probably aim with a precision of a Marine Corp Sniper but to us, we look at it as alien technology. It's is quite difficult to use for a first timer and there are factors that worry us.

      If its not aimed correctly, where does the splash go? If you're lucky it stays in the toilet boil. However if your aim is off, you can completely miss your anus and either shoot to much under or over which will shoot the water outside of the toilet bowl.

      Also when I was using the bathroom in the Doha airport, the handheld sprayer had a soap dispenser next to it. I was curious what it was for so I YouTube'd and searched for instructions on what the soap dispenser was for and (kind-of) to my surprise it was soap to lather and clean your anus with your other free hand. After you lather and clean, you basically rinse your hand with the hose as well.

      • gruez 1 month ago
        >If its not aimed correctly, where does the splash go? If you're lucky it stays in the toilet boil. However if your aim is off, you can completely miss your anus and either shoot to much under or over which will shoot the water outside of the toilet bowl.

        so slowly squeeze the trigger to confirm the aim is correct, rather than going full blast at the start?

        • zdc1 1 month ago
          The triggers can be quite stiff. If you're unfamiliar it's easy to try to incrementally add pressure and still go from 0-100 with them.

          Another option is to adjust the water connection valve at the start of the host so its not fully open, but by the time you notice the valve, you're probably already familiar enough to aim straight.

          The water pressure can also be startlingly strong, but you also get used to that.

          • colonial 1 month ago
            When I interned abroad in Singapore at a small-time IT firm, the office was in an industrial building that had, uh, less than stellar communal facilities. I at least had the foresight to test the sprayer before use, but I swear it was binary on/off. There wasn't a pressure control knob or anything upstream either.

            I eventually got used to blasting myself clean, but I still prefer TP.

            • geodel 1 month ago
              You are right about Asians ones. The ones I used in India However what I have gotten in american bathrooms are pretty decent with flow control are supply and handle bar depending on how much you squeeze. And with filters and all in place water comes with soft gushing way like American faucets.

              In my experience even least fancy American bathrooms are vastly more functional and cleaner by design than what I get in my trips to India in homes or even 4 star hotels.

            • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
              Yeah this overstates the problem. Sure there’s a learning curve but spraying all over didn’t happen for me.
              • 1 month ago
              • latchkey 1 month ago
                it is often all or nothing.
                • firejake308 1 month ago
                  Yeah, depends on how sensitive the trigger is, which is something you can't always control at a public restroom
              • mtalantikite 1 month ago
                > … but the functionality is quite difficult for a person who's not used to this whatsoever.

                I guess for some definition of difficult? Honestly it takes about 5 seconds to get used to and then you can never go back to using just toilet paper.

                • saagarjha 1 month ago
                  No, they're actually miserable and I strongly prefer toilet paper (yes, I have read all the comments about whether you'd use toilet paper if it touched any other part of your body, etc.) Most parts of the world literally just spray cold water at you; some of them also require you to aim. Toilet paper is a lot neater than this.
                  • stavros 1 month ago
                    It's neater in its application, not neater at its result. As you (and the article) mention, there's no way I'd trust wiping off with toilet paper if I got some paint on my hands, even though it's simpler than washing.
                    • mtalantikite 1 month ago
                      I mean hey, if you want to walk around like that by all means. Maybe it's my ancestral Muslim side coming out, but I just feel dirty without cleaning myself afterwards.

                      Also, the water isn't that cold, even in the dead of winter here in the north east. And if you can't aim from that close I'm not sure what to tell you!

                  • Brajeshwar 1 month ago
                    At home, combine this with the western paper and now you have a dry body as you walk out. So, you can clean with the spray, and you get wet, and dry with the paper for an end-to-end solution.
                    • pixelbro 1 month ago
                      > try as best as you can to aim it into your anus to wash as best as you can

                      This seems like a great way to spray shit everywhere and is not at all how I learned to use those. What I do is soap one hand, aim the jet into the toilet past the anus with the other hand (jet vector orthogonal to the anus's normal vector), then go to town on it with soap and water. It's foolproof and you get very clean.

                      How has nobody mentioned this? I feel like I'm on crazy pills, is everyone seriously blasting a jet directly at their chocolate starfish?

                      • narratives1 1 month ago
                        Yet here I am on the other side surprised to hear you and others saying you’re lathering your poopy butt with your hands in a restaurant bathroom

                        We all gotta wash our butts, but it just seems more civilized to do it in the shower as you can get everything clean, you didn’t just crap, and you’re not eating with those same hands immediately afterwards.

                        Toilet paper + wet wipes are 100x more sanitary than what you describe

                        • barbazoo 1 month ago
                          Wet wipes sure if you dispose of them correctly. Don’t just externalizer the problem to the sewer system.
                      • marcusb 1 month ago
                        I bought $25 versions of this on Amazon during COVID... We did not anticipate or have any of problems you described.
                        • kappi 1 month ago
                          most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months. It is a flood hazard if the hose breaks.
                          • EliRivers 1 month ago
                            "most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months."

                            Well that just doesn't sound true at all. I would definitely remember if it leaked every year. Do you have any evidence for this? A bidet is pretty basic plumbing, and basic plumbing can go decades without leaking.

                            I guess if someone goes out and buys cheap parts that fail fast, and always does that, then you'll get some people whose plumbing fails every six months and everyone else goes years or decades without problems.

                            • marcusb 1 month ago
                              I must be the luckiest person in the world, then. The three I purchased have been installed for five years now, with zero leaks.
                              • polygloty 1 month ago
                                Have same spray bidet for 7 years. Haven't leaked a single drop. It's probability to leak is as good as any other faucet at this point
                                • rickyc091 1 month ago
                                  I've been using the $20-25 ones since covid as well, so that's been six years without any issues. Knock on wood that something doesn't happen shortly.
                                  • Belopolye 1 month ago
                                    Big Toilet Paper needs to try harder than this.
                                • maxglute 1 month ago
                                  I am always surprised those sprayers don't splatter shit everywhere, maybe there's some self selection bias going on in that only pros hose in public facilities. Or they're just well maintained. I was expecting to see more wet pants, but then again everything in MENA dries right away. Same with toto style bidets though, but I've mostly seen them in fancy establishments and assume someone is doing the frequent upkeep.
                                  • 2dvisio 1 month ago
                                    Or commonly referred to as “bum guns” in the UK. We have three toilets in our house and have one in each. They’re so good I can’t even explain. I find it so inconvenient whenever I travel that these don’t come with every toilet.
                                    • raincom 1 month ago
                                      Those hand sprayer versions are bad to use and unhygienic too, because fecal matter gets sprayed beyond the toilet bowl. I know why Arabic countries prefer hand sprayer versions: istinja practices of Islam.
                                      • everybodyknows 1 month ago
                                        Not with the one I bought at Home Depot. Two valves: one with a longish lever at the bottom of the tank, one in the sprayer, one at the wand. Use the first lever as high-precision pressure control, the one at the wand as a quick cutoff or not at all.

                                        Adjust pressure to a 3-4 inch high fountain. No overspray.

                                        Angle the flow forward, to minimize drip-back onto the sprayer head.

                                        • raincom 1 month ago
                                          I have been using Neo180 manual bidet for 5 years, which I bought for Amazon. Replaced it last year with the same model. I don't like manual handheld sprayer bidets, which are popular in the Middle East; later, they spread to SE Asia, now South Asia, Russia.
                                        • zdc1 1 month ago
                                          They are also very, very cheap to install and replace (US$1 or less in low cost of living countries). So for some it's better-than-nothing.
                                          • swat535 1 month ago
                                            They are also installed in all houses in Iran. I think many places in middle east has them. Toilet paper usage is not a thing there.
                                          • seb1204 1 month ago
                                            No concern really in my experience. This point is often raised by the uninitiated.
                                            • raincom 1 month ago
                                              I used it in Indian hotels. Sure, one should get 30 day practical course on how to use bidet spray without wetting the whole restroom, without spraying junk around. If that is what initiation is, it is a failure in my considered opinion.
                                              • al_borland 1 month ago
                                                How does one get initiated? They had the hand sprayers at my office in India. I never tried. Experimenting with that and having to go back to work seemed like a bad idea. I also didn’t feel like asking co-workers how to use their toilets.
                                              • viksit 1 month ago
                                                this is also the most common thing in india fwiw so it’s not all religious.
                                                • raincom 1 month ago
                                                  Well, Indians have learned this technology from abroad--mostly Middle East, thats where many Indians work. Of course, now Indian companies make those sprayer bidets.
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                                                • scotty79 1 month ago
                                                  > you grab the handheld sprayer and turn it upside down and reach behind you

                                                  Why not from the front? It makes way more sense. Easier to aim and your butt seals against the back edge of bowl hole so the water doesn't splash out.

                                                  • nhod 1 month ago
                                                    Your butt does not do that. If you are relatively fit, there often is a butt crack gap on top of the bowl. Butt much worse, there is also a bigger gap between the seat and the bowl. If you go from the back there is more toilet bowl in front of you to error in.
                                                    • LoganDark 1 month ago
                                                      Balls
                                                      • n1b0m 1 month ago
                                                        This is the way to do it
                                                      • albrewer 1 month ago
                                                        > People who have been doing this their whole lives can probably aim with a precision of a Marine Corp Sniper but to us

                                                        I bought these sprayers for my house when people lost their minds hoarding toilet paper during the initial COVID lockdowns in the US. It only took a few days to start getting it right the first time, every time.

                                                        • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                          Those hand sprayers are an Muslim thing aren't they? That's what I was told by locals in SE Asia. Searching, it comes up
                                                          • tazjin 1 month ago
                                                            They're pretty common in Russia, too. In Muslim countries they're basically everywhere.

                                                            When you're used to them it's very annoying to end up in a country that doesn't have them. Especially the US, which in addition has strange toilets that fill up with a lot of water during normal operation and bathroom stall privacy that begins 30cm above the ground.

                                                            • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                              Agreed. USA public restrooms are the worst as are USA public restroom manners.
                                                            • mtalantikite 1 month ago
                                                              Not always — I was pretty surprised they didn’t have them in every bathroom when visiting Morocco. My family is Algerian and they’re standard there, and I always assumed it would be common in other Muslim countries considering how much emphasis there is on cleanliness, but I didn’t encounter a single one the entire time I was in Morocco, across four cities.
                                                              • halpow 1 month ago
                                                                No, they're everywhere in Thailand, Vietnam and Philippines, none of which are majority muslims.
                                                                • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                  that doesn't make them non-muslim things. Plently of things in those countries that are not from those countries
                                                              • Fire-Dragon-DoL 4 weeks ago
                                                                Could you do like Italians do with bidet?

                                                                Aim the sprayer down into the toilet, let the water go on your dominant hand (hold the washer without the dominant), so no water gets out, use the hand with soap to put soap/water on your anus, wash kinda like you would do when washing the body except you repeatedly rinse the hand in the water and bring more water to the anus.

                                                                Done

                                                                I used a Japanese style bidet and managed to ruin a painting, because the spray crossed through a door slightly open and into the wall on the other side, with a painting on it. A funny event actually

                                                                • throw0101b 1 month ago
                                                                  > I was curious what it was for so I YouTube'd and searched for instructions on what the soap dispenser was for and (kind-of) to my surprise it was soap to lather and clean your anus with your other free hand. After you lather and clean, you basically rinse your hand with the hose as well.

                                                                  There seems to be two kinds of cultures in the world: those that use water / their hands for post-business cleansing, and those that use paper or some other medium.

                                                                  * https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191004-the-peculiar-bat...

                                                                  * https://www.sterillium.info/en/stories-hub/hygiene-customs-a...

                                                                  For the hands folks, you then need to clean one's hands:

                                                                  * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lota_(vessel)#Cleansing

                                                                  * https://www.pocketbidet.com/blogs/our-blog/what-is-a-lota-a-...

                                                                  * https://hellotushy.com/blogs/bidets/what-is-a-lota-muslim-hy...

                                                                  • jfoster 1 month ago
                                                                    In Thailand anywhere luxury will typically use the Japanese style washlets. I wouldn't be surprised to see that trickle-down to eventually become standard.
                                                                    • FabHK 1 month ago
                                                                      Some of the more upmarket shopping malls in Bangkok have Totos.
                                                                    • michaelsbradley 1 month ago
                                                                      After experiencing these hand sprayers during international travel, I installed them next to all of the toilets in our house. My wife grew up with something similar but had done without since living in the US, and hadn’t thought to suggest them to me. My Asian in-laws were/are happy about it, and our household toilet paper usage has plummeted.
                                                                      • aatd86 1 month ago
                                                                        computer vision will solve this and direct the waterjet in yer bullseye. :D

                                                                        ai...ai everywhere.

                                                                        • jfoster 1 month ago
                                                                          You probably don't want a bullseye. Many of the ones in Japan will actually move the spray around a bit if you press the おしり button twice.
                                                                          • stavros 1 month ago
                                                                            I'm a scrub with a $20 bidet accessory and I move my butt around, so I agree: you want more coverage than just a bullseye .
                                                                            • dzhiurgis 1 month ago
                                                                              About to do that right now. Life without it is unimaginable.
                                                                            • bryanrasmussen 1 month ago
                                                                              skynet becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th, realizing it is being used primarily for cleaning fecal matter off human anuses, it uses its enhanced systems clearance in Pentagon to start global thermonuclear war.
                                                                              • dataviz1000 1 month ago
                                                                                They could have purposed the robots to pass the butter but, no, they wanted bombs not butter.
                                                                              • eastbound 1 month ago
                                                                                Anyone to volunteer to feed image categorization for AI? PTSD might be severe and tenure shorter than at Facebook.
                                                                                • j-a-a-p 1 month ago
                                                                                  There is probably somebody on HN who's tasks is to train this neural network right now.
                                                                                • seanmcdirmid 1 month ago
                                                                                  It’s not like Japanese toilets don’t have a lot of tech in them already. A sprayer that sprays only in the right place seems very feasible.
                                                                                  • dzhiurgis 1 month ago
                                                                                    You just position your area of interest over where the stream is (if you don’t like massage feature)
                                                                                  • anjel 1 month ago
                                                                                    All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
                                                                                    • whycome 1 month ago
                                                                                      Or a camera. Thats what they do on the international space station to help the astronauts “aim”
                                                                                    • seb1204 1 month ago
                                                                                      Also very common in Finland.
                                                                                      • yubblegum 1 month ago
                                                                                        Simple instructions:

                                                                                        1 - wipe with tissue

                                                                                        2 - wash with water. Traditionally, use left hand.

                                                                                        3 - dry hand with tissue.

                                                                                        4 - flush

                                                                                        5 - wash hands at sink

                                                                                        • apwell23 1 month ago
                                                                                          tissue paper is not designed for drying water
                                                                                        • polygloty 1 month ago
                                                                                          If you get from up and behind all risks are eliminated. You have to tilt forward a bit but everything else becomes easier
                                                                                          • elevaet 1 month ago
                                                                                            These are almost universal in Indonesia too
                                                                                            • rayiner 1 month ago
                                                                                              What’s weird about it. I assume you do clean down there with soap periodically … right?
                                                                                              • mulmen 1 month ago
                                                                                                Yes but typically I’m not wearing clothes when I do that.
                                                                                                • fallinghawks 1 month ago
                                                                                                  When you're doing your business I hope your pants are down
                                                                                                  • DonHopkins 1 month ago
                                                                                                    After you only wipe with paper, you're literally wearing shit the rest of the day. Barbaric!
                                                                                                  • 0x073 1 month ago
                                                                                                    Dont use soap down there. Water is enough normally.
                                                                                                    • caseyohara 1 month ago
                                                                                                      Dont use soap on my hands. Water is enough normally.
                                                                                                      • krispyfi 1 month ago
                                                                                                        Remind me to never toss your salad
                                                                                                    • olivierestsage 1 month ago
                                                                                                      This is a candidate for one of the all-time greatest HackerNews comments, IMO
                                                                                                      • Gud 1 month ago
                                                                                                        You don't use these the first time at an airport, is my advice.
                                                                                                        • apwell23 1 month ago
                                                                                                          I have a question for bidet users. After you powerwash your anus, do you have a towel nearby to wipeoff ?

                                                                                                          In india you can just put your clothes on after powerwash because it so hot and dries fast. I am guessing you don't want that in chicago winter.

                                                                                                          • retrochameleon 1 month ago
                                                                                                            No, I just use (literally) 1-2 square of toilet paper. That's all that's needed to dry off. Because of the incredibly low TP usage, I splurge on nicer TP since having a bidet. A single large pack of TP can easily last many many months, if not an entire year.
                                                                                                            • tguvot 1 month ago
                                                                                                              Proper bidet has dryer fan
                                                                                                          • tambeb 1 month ago
                                                                                                            Very common in the Middle East too.
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                                                                                                              • martin-t 1 month ago
                                                                                                                Off-topic but can we please stop censoring words such as shitting?

                                                                                                                It disgusts me but at least I understand it on platforms like YouTube which penalize those who don't self-censor but it has no purpose here.

                                                                                                                I find it worrying how easily people accept this newspeak and spread it of their own free will.

                                                                                                                • Freak_NL 1 month ago
                                                                                                                  Or use 'pooping' or 'defecating'.

                                                                                                                  It never ceases to amaze me people do that without any prompting. Why? What is gained? We are meat puppets who occasionally shit, piss, fuck, bleed, and die. Use a thesaurus if you must, but leave the asterisks out of it.

                                                                                                                  • viraptor 1 month ago
                                                                                                                    It also became a weird cargo cult thing. Only one platform had issues with killing, but now videos everywhere are captioned with unaliving. We can say shit and ass!
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                                                                                                                      • freetime2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                        Some of the features I really like about my Japanese toilet:

                                                                                                                        * Heated seat

                                                                                                                        * Bidet with warm water

                                                                                                                        * “Omakase” power-saving setting that learns your schedule and turns off the heat during the times you are typically out or asleep.

                                                                                                                        * Flush with a button press vs. turning a handle. This sounds minor, but whenever I have to use a toilet with a handle it is noticeably less convenient as you often have to keep the handle turned for a couple of seconds for a proper flush.

                                                                                                                        * The flush button is also conveniently located on the wall next to the toilet rather than behind the user (good for courtesy flushes). The control panel communicates with the toilet via IR.

                                                                                                                        * Selectable flush volumes (eco, normal, large)

                                                                                                                        * Automatically flushes when you stand up

                                                                                                                        * Non-stick coating to keep the bowl clean. It also releases a bit of water and wets the bowl when you sit down to make the surface less sticky.

                                                                                                                        * Has a lever to lift up the toilet seat a couple inches from the base to easily be able to clean under the area where the seat sits atop the base.

                                                                                                                        * Lid and seat hinges are dampened so they never slam shut

                                                                                                                        Some things which I don’t like/use:

                                                                                                                        * It has a blow drying function which I almost never use (toilet paper works fine for drying).

                                                                                                                        * It has an air filter that I need to change once a year at a cost of about ¥2000.

                                                                                                                        * Haven’t run into this problem yet, but could be a pain in an extended power outage. I think you’re supposed to just pour water into it from a bucket to flush it.

                                                                                                                        Features which I don’t have but would want on my next toilet:

                                                                                                                        * Button to automatically raise and lower the lid. Bonus points if it’s motion activated to raise the lid when you enter the bathroom.

                                                                                                                        • kelnos 1 month ago
                                                                                                                          > Button to automatically raise and lower the lid. Bonus points if it’s motion activated to raise the lid when you enter the bathroom.

                                                                                                                          I have this, and eventually disabled it. It's super annoying, and goes off if if I enter the bathroom and go near the toilet for any reason, even if I'm not about to use the toilet.

                                                                                                                          • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                            It probably only works in Japan where, if possible, the toilet is in it's own separate room, separate from the room where you wash your face, separate from the room with the shower/bath. You'd never be in the toilet room except to use the toilet. The door stays closed so the toilet is only going to open when you open the door to the toilet room.
                                                                                                                            • numpad0 1 month ago
                                                                                                                              It's still kind of annoying since you can just leave the lid open instead of waiting for it to open...

                                                                                                                              Except, the motorized seat is indeed convenient, for which the lid might be a dependency, and I guess at which point a scope creep into auto opening everything is just an inevitability.

                                                                                                                          • positr0n 1 month ago
                                                                                                                            My toilet (Kohler, in the US) has a battery that's supposed to last 100 flushes if the power goes out.

                                                                                                                            When we first got it I always found it funny to ask other people if their toilet had a battery backup.

                                                                                                                            • m463 1 month ago
                                                                                                                              Yes the auto seat raise/lower is becoming more popular in japan

                                                                                                                              Importing that feature alone might help with higher divorce rates in the US.

                                                                                                                              • Xss3 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                I have a strong dislike for typical toilet flush buttons as they are less sanitary and harder to clean.

                                                                                                                                I feel if it's already electric then everything that can be touch free should be and everything else should be crevice free.

                                                                                                                                A handle flush or chain flush also allows more control. I grew up doing slow flushes with minimal pressure at night for pee. It saved water and didn't disturb people.

                                                                                                                                • freetime2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                  Most of the buttons on my toilet's control panel [1] are crevice-free. The front buttons are completely crevice-free. The flush buttons on the top do have crevices between them, but in practice they are raised, and the surface is large enough that fingers only come in contact with the flat part of the surface when they are pressed. After 5+ years of only wiping the surface when cleaning, there is zero gunk build up in the crevices. I do think it would be better if there were no crevices at all - but I'm not sure what design tradeoffs that would entail (for example, the front buttons seem less durable than the top).

                                                                                                                                  Handles, on the other hand, also often have crevices and areas that are hard to reach for cleaning (on the underside of the handle or the area between the handle and the toilet). They also require more pressure, a larger contact area, and a longer contact duration, leading to more transfer of germs between the hand and the handle.

                                                                                                                                  I agree that it makes sense for bathrooms to be as touchless as possible. My toilet will flush automatically when you stand up. Higher-end models will also raise and lower the lid automtically when you enter or leave the room.

                                                                                                                                  It might be nice to have touch-free controls like you see on airplanes and some public restooms. But on the other hand there might be some design tradeoffs in terms of usability or battery life. And in a private residence, I don't think a flush button contributes significantly more to the spread of sickness than, say, door handles throughout the house.

                                                                                                                                  In terms of water usage, Japanese toilets tend to be very efficient. The eco flush on my toilet uses 3.4L. The EPA's "WaterSense" certification, by comparison, applies to toilets that use 4.8L. So without more data, I'm a bit skeptical of the claim that it is possible to achieve better efficiency (and a complete flush) by using less pressure on the handle. To the contrary, I think it's probably more efficient to have the water enter the bowl with a higher velocity, as it would allow the water to get over the trap and flush with a lower total volume of water.

                                                                                                                                  [1] https://toto.imagewave.pictures/GGA_14012506S154__web011.png...

                                                                                                                                • barbazoo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                  This reminds me of how humans live in the movie Wall-E.
                                                                                                                                  • panick21_ 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                    > * Automatically flushes when you stand up

                                                                                                                                    Does it close the lid as well? Because if it doesn't this is a bad idea.

                                                                                                                                    The amount of stuff that gets spread around your bathroom if you don't close the lid is disgusting.

                                                                                                                                    • freetime2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                      There's a delay between when you get off the toilet and when it flushes automatically (about 10 seconds, on some models it is configurable), so there is enough time to close the lid first. You can also turn off the feature completely, but personally I'd much rather have the toilet get flushed with the lid up than not at all (because someone forgot, made a mistake, etc).

                                                                                                                                      Also, the science doesn't really back up the claim that closing the lid prior to flushing makes a meaningful difference [1]. Cleaning the bathroom and toilet regularly has a much larger impact than whether or not you close the lid before flushing.

                                                                                                                                      [1] https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(23)00820-9/fu...

                                                                                                                                  • dmckeon 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                    If anyone wants to explore the bidet space without replacing an entire toilet, I can recommend the Neo line of products from https://luxebidet.com/ They sell kits for under $70 USD that attach to existing toilets, using the space between the seat and bowl, and attach to the toilet's water supply with a tee fitting and one-way valve, either at the wall valve, or at the bottom of the tank. Installation should take less than 30 minutes for anyone handy with a screwdriver and a crescent wrench.

                                                                                                                                    Their bidets are surprising effective, and do not require any electricity or hot water, as the water volume needed to be effective is small, and the water has usually been sitting in the pipes in a home's walls at ambient temperature. 10/10, would spritz again.

                                                                                                                                    • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                      All of the washlets can be installed onto most traditional toilets. You only need TOTO's special toilets if you want auto-flush or Japanese style.
                                                                                                                                      • pixelready 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                        Agreed. I’ve got one at home too. Was cheap, easy to install and works pretty well. Admittedly things don’t get very cold where I am, so YMMV.

                                                                                                                                        I do dream of installing a legit Toto with the warmed seat and self cleaning, but didn’t want to deal with the hassle of buying the unit and then having to hire both a plumber and an electrician.

                                                                                                                                        The only real problem is my son has grown up spoiled with a bidet at home, and now hates using the bathroom at school or out in public. I mean, I get it, but when nature calls, she ain’t askin’.

                                                                                                                                        • olalonde 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                          I started using bidets in my 30s and I'm the same now. Not using a bidet feels barbaric.
                                                                                                                                          • ashdksnndck 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                            From a plumbing perspective, the Toto is no different from one of the basic units, you just attach the valve to the toilet’s water supply. For electricity, it depends on your situation but if you have an outlet nearby (eg. where you would plug your hair dryer or electric toothbrush) you can just plug into that. The plug doesn’t need to be directly behind the toilet, you run a cord to it.
                                                                                                                                            • VTimofeenko 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              Depending on the code, a separate outlet and/or a circuit might be required
                                                                                                                                            • ww520 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              Really don’t need an electrician. Just plug in to an outlet on the wall or an extension power strip. Don’t need a plumber as well. It’s really easy to install.
                                                                                                                                              • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                Careful with this advice. There is a tiny risk of electric shock if you use an outdoor-rated extension cord, a bigger risk if you use an indoor-rated strip, and a pretty big risk if you use indoor without a GFCI outlet.

                                                                                                                                                The safest thing to do is always to get that outlet installed.

                                                                                                                                            • bjackman 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                              I'm not able to install anything like this in my current home but if you live somewhere reasonably warm (so it's not super unpleasant to get a wet bum) I can hugely recommend something like this. (I want everyone to get one since I can't).

                                                                                                                                              Living in Asia where the "bumgun" (bidet on a hose) is popular made me realise how barbaric toilet paper is. It's really quite disgusting and also very uncomfortable!

                                                                                                                                              In India it's relatively common to see these retrofitted bidets that fit under the seat. Personally I think they're inferior to the hose but that's a personal preference, these things still work great, and they are less intrusive and probably easier to install. One of my Indian colleagues has one at his home in Europe too.

                                                                                                                                              • m463 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                I suspect the practical reason they are not retrofitted is that few if any toilets in the US have a power outlet next to it.
                                                                                                                                                • remexre 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                  They're hydraulically powered, not electrically; no outlet required, the same water intake that the jet uses is used for the mechanism as well.
                                                                                                                                                  • johnwalkr 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                    Luxebidet are, but the parent comment to yours is referring to Toto washlets, I think.
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                                                                                                                                                  • maxglute 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                    Kohler has manual ones with a lever arm that can swing the nozzle which I find more effective. Twist for pressure. I have no hope for JP software, waiting for PRC/SV AI powered bidet with brown eye recognition that cleans without aiming.

                                                                                                                                                    Manual ones can also have... stupid water pressure depending on your plumbing... which some will find addicting.

                                                                                                                                                    • stavros 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                      I have a manual one and the pressure is adjustable, just like the tap. I use medium to low pressure.
                                                                                                                                                      • maxglute 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                        I meant the pressure of manual can be relative to the pressure of your plumbing, i.e. eye openning water jet cutter tier pressure. Closer to hose style, can absolutely blast water. Fancy electric Totos cap pressure, feels like trickle in comparison.
                                                                                                                                                  • dep_b 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                    A bidet is standard equipment in Argentinian homes, even the poorest houses have it. Once you get used to it, it’s incomprehensible that in other countries people just wipe and…hope for the best.

                                                                                                                                                    But often it’s hard to install one in bathrooms that are not designed for it. So a Japanese toilet is a somewhat over the top solution in our house.

                                                                                                                                                    • MichaelRo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                      >> it’s incomprehensible that in other countries people just wipe and…hope for the best.

                                                                                                                                                      Well ... I don't have a bidet but doesn't mean I don't wash my buttocks after doing business. Unfortunately it's a bit of a taboo subject so it's not discussed, not taught in school / hygiene classes, just let it be.

                                                                                                                                                      Best example I heard from someone is this: imagine you dip your hands in Nutella. Then try to clean them just wiping with toilet paper, for more authenticity, without looking. Then look at the result, that's your ass, good thing you got underpants! Compare that with washing with soap and water!

                                                                                                                                                      So how do I do it?

                                                                                                                                                      - First step it to use wet toilet paper. I can't stand raw toilet paper, it scratches my hemorrhoids, so I pre-soak it in water from the tap if available or just water I keep in my mouth if in a public place / at work. I hate public places for this matter. This way it's much gentler for the tushy, it also pre-washes the area and third advantage, it's much less likely to clog the toilet when I flush, being already soaked.

                                                                                                                                                      - So after the first step I'm closer to washing Nutella than wiping it. If in a public place, that's the best I got. If at home, next step is wash my butt with soap and water in a plastic bucket. There, that's your bidet! For 2 bucks, you too can get one! :) Sure, you have to squat and not wear any pants, but you're in your own freaking bathroom. Dry with paper towels which you throw in a bucket. Plus, comes the third step anyway and you won't be wearing any clothes for that.

                                                                                                                                                      - Third step is taking a quick shower. At this point you won't be leaving a trail of poo into the shower drain or bath tub (I shower in the bath tub) but still get to clean your general areas that were in contact with the toilet, hence e-coli and sh*t (no pun intended), plus shower feels good.

                                                                                                                                                      So there's that: my overly complicated toilet routine that takes some 3 minutes extra after finishing with the toilet proper, which leaves me perfectly adequate for entering a pool. Unfortunately I also know that 99.98% of the population entering said pool has their Nutella butt washed for the first time in said pool, so no pools for me if I can avoid it.

                                                                                                                                                      • rcpt 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                        Nutella is oil based you should not have something like that coming out of you
                                                                                                                                                        • ragazzina 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                          No Nutella then, you dip your hand in a bucket of human feces. You wipe with toilet paper. Will it still smell?
                                                                                                                                                        • saagarjha 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                          I feel like you should just buy a bidet if you're willing to go through all this trouble.
                                                                                                                                                          • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                            This is exactly the original add for Japanese toilets

                                                                                                                                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tJlfj6C0sA

                                                                                                                                                            Loose translation: When you get your hands dirty you wash them right? You wouldn't just wipe them right? Your butt is the same.

                                                                                                                                                            • hellisothers 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                              You could also eat more fiber or change your diet so your poop doesn’t have the consistency of peanut butter.
                                                                                                                                                              • justsomehnguy 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                > just water I keep in my mouth if in a public place / at work

                                                                                                                                                                Sorry for intruding, but the water from some public place is the last thing I want in my or anyone else's mouth. May I suggest a water bottle or even a flask?

                                                                                                                                                                Or if you already tried that, can you explain why it didn't work for you? Just an idle curiosity. Thanks in advance.

                                                                                                                                                                • dizzant 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                  I interpreted this to mean he holds clean water (e.g. from a bottle) in his mouth when entering the toilet, for the purpose of wetting toilet paper. A clever solution, IMO.
                                                                                                                                                                  • daoistmonk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                    I interpreted this to mean spit.
                                                                                                                                                                  • anigbrowl 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                    Way too much information guy
                                                                                                                                                                    • KPGv2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                      No, this is exactly the problem: "we mustn't speak of buttholes, it is preferable that we all continue sub-par hygiene practices because it's TABBOOOOOOO"
                                                                                                                                                                  • riffraff 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                    What kind of bidet?

                                                                                                                                                                    I assume it's Italian/French style bidet (a separate item from the WC) and not the Japanese/SEA thing where it's a WC addition.

                                                                                                                                                                    The fact we use the same term for three different kind of things is deeply confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                    • dfxm12 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                      If it's standard equipment, why wouldn't bathrooms be designed for it? New expectations? Something else?
                                                                                                                                                                      • dataviz1000 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                        Every bathroom in Thailand and Argentina is built with a drain in the floor. It's forward thinking construction. Otherwise, without the drain, either the bum gun or the bidet can and will easily damage the floor and anything below it.
                                                                                                                                                                        • op00to 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                          My bathroom in the USA does not have a floor drain. I have a bidet. The tile floor is 60 years old, no damage.
                                                                                                                                                                          • seanmcdirmid 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                            These are called wet rooms, and usually they just have a shower that hits directly on the floor (at least in lower end ones outside of luxury hotels).
                                                                                                                                                                            • XorNot 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                              It seems wild to me you'd have a bathroom without a general floor drain? Like it's a room where we put water taps...a floor drain just makes sense (and you already need to put plumbing in for floor drains to have like, a shower work).
                                                                                                                                                                              • bgnn 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                How can a wet room floor like toilet or barhroom be damaged? They have to be specific type of concrete + tiles on top, don't they? At least that's what I'm used to.
                                                                                                                                                                                • zzzoom 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                  You can use a mop if your aim is that bad.
                                                                                                                                                                                • dep_b 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                  Standard equipment in Argentina, not in Northern Europe or the US, where you would have to be in the opportunity to completely redo your bathroom to accommodate it. Otherwise you need to rearrange, or go for a Japanese toilet.
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Tadpole9181 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                    Completely redo a bathroom? The barrier to entry is replacing the seat with one that connects to the existing waterline. I've got one and it took 10 minutes to install - and 5 of those were just cleaning first.
                                                                                                                                                                                  • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                    Most need power at the toilet. Not allowed to be exposed near water in US bathrooms without circuit breaker and so are not installed.
                                                                                                                                                                                    • simfree 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                      You should already have a circuit breaker at the panel.

                                                                                                                                                                                      A GFCI outlet is needed if your breaker is not GFCI already, but this receptacle is something that isn't terribly expensive.

                                                                                                                                                                                    • csa 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                      > why wouldn't bathrooms be designed for it?

                                                                                                                                                                                      No outlet near the toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Non-conforming/non-standard shape of seat and/or tank.

                                                                                                                                                                                      • ghaff 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                        Ideally you need nearby electrical and ability to get water to the washlet seat. Which is fairly easy/cheap in a bathroom remodel (which is what I did) but not necessarily easy/cheap otherwise. (There are simpler ways you can get part-way there as noted in this thread.)
                                                                                                                                                                                        • NooneAtAll3 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                          ...why would you need electricity for a seat with water?
                                                                                                                                                                                      • layer8 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                        > it’s incomprehensible that in other countries people just wipe and…hope for the best.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Nowadays many people use wet wipes. Probably less environmentally friendly, but they solve the same problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                        • zrobotics 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                          FYI for anyone that uses wet wipes: please don't. If you have to, ignore any marketing they have about the wipes being flushable. They absolutely are not, and cause major issues for sanitation operators. Even the ones labeled septic safe really aren't, from what I understand the 'septic safe' marketing just refers to them not containing chemicals that will poison a septic system. They don't break down in a septic system like paper will.
                                                                                                                                                                                          • PNewling 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                            Less environmentally friendly and greatly more damaging to the infrastructure. Spain is even looking to introduce legislation to reduce/remove their use[0].

                                                                                                                                                                                            [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/28/spain-to...

                                                                                                                                                                                            • layer8 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                              That link talks about plastic items, but the wet wipes I’m familiar with are 100% plant-based and biodegradable, and dissolve in water.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Edit, to clarify: The wipes in question have been certified according to the EDANA Flushability Guidelines, which have been adopted into law in some countries, and there is also a related Spanish standard UNE 149002:2019 (“Acceptance criteria for disposable products via toilet”). The producer (Essity) claims that they dissolve similarly quickly to regular toiled paper.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It might very well be that the wipes still cause problems, but it’s not like these are plastic items that are flushed down the toilet in an unregulated way.

                                                                                                                                                                                              • hoseyor 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                Spain has a hard time figuring out how to get their sewage system to handle regular toilet paper and many regions/places require you to deposit the toilet paper in trash cans next to the toilet. That being said, I think there are better options like a clever public awareness campaign, banning the claim of being flushable, required packaging that says not to flush, requiring to be packaged with plastic bags for disposal, or even just accumulating all the costs of issues from the wipes and charge them to the industry as a whole in various taxes and fees, which will push the incentive to solve the problem on the industry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I used to use wet wipes and flushed them, now I have a bidet and have only ever used wet wipes when traveling, where, ironically, Spain’s issues with basic things like flushing toilet paper, make disposing/not flushing wet wipes easy because many bathrooms have a lidded trash can next to the toilet/in the stall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Ironically, their bigger issues produce a solution to a different, bigger problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Note: Yes, I’m aware it’s not everywhere in Spain or only Spain, but I am curious to hear where everywhere everyone has encountered having to put their toilet paper on a trash can instead of flushing.

                                                                                                                                                                                              • neves 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                This is really terrible. Expensive and anti ecological.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Also used water sprays all my life

                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe someday Americans will notice that they are the different ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                                • seanmcdirmid 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don’t think Americans are using wet wipes on their toilet business, at least in any meaningful numbers, maybe parent was talking about some other region of the world? There are plenty of regions of the world where TP is the norm, eg in China you aren’t going to find sprayers or Japanese style toilet seats, and many toilets are still squats.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • chgs 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                    American exceptionalism will never allow that. Either America is the best of everywhere or are the same as America.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                    It does not solve the same problem. The same way the majority of people prefer to wash their hand at a faucet with soap and water. They might put up with a wet wipe when they are near a faucet but it doesn't "solve the same problem". At best it's a temporary solution until you get to a place where you can really wash.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • layer8 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                      The wet wipes aren't for the hands, they are for your behind. You still wash your hands with water and soap afterwards.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • stavros 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, to be fair, they do solve the same problem, just not nearly as well :P
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • barbazoo 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Definitely terrible on your sewer system.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • mousethatroared 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why don't you hop into the shower after doing number two?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • NooneAtAll3 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                          why take the whole shower, when you can sit on a bath side?
                                                                                                                                                                                                          • mousethatroared 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you don't have a bidet. Thats how I solved the problem 35 years ago.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • amluto 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                        One caveat: Toto toilets waste stupid amounts of power. With the heater off, I measure 40-50W at idle across multiple different models. With a heated seat that’s active or with the water heater on, it’s much higher. (A lot of Toto models have a small tank that is kept hot — only the higher end models have an on-demand flow tankless heater.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • freetime2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just tested this out and mine uses 6w at idle. This is with the seat heater and water heater turned on - but given that it's June there probably isn't much heating needed to bring them up to comfortable temps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          For reference here is the model I have. I don’t remember the exact price, but I think it was a fairly mid-range model that cost less than ¥200,000 ($2,000) at the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          https://search.toto.jp/tr/D08911R_201603.pdf

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit: just had a look at current prices, and it looks like the MSRP for the same model is about 3x more expensive in the US than Japan. For example, the Neorest RS1 has a list price of ¥317,000 ($2,200) in Japan vs $6,315 in the US. So possibly a midrange model in Japan could be considered high end in the US.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          • amluto 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                            You’ll either need a remarkably good in-brain integrator or something that measures energy instead of power. The data is noisy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just pulled the data from a US model Neorest, and I see a bit over 600Wh in a day. So better than 40W, but not amazing. It does drop below 1W for short periods, so it’s not actually the electronics wasting power at idle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • rahimnathwani 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                              From the shape of the unit, I'm pretty sure it's one with a tank.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                            These are neat, but not an option for those in rentals/apartments. Instead, on the advice here, about five years ago I bought a “bum gun” from Home Depot, the fancy stainless steel version for maybe $60 at the time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            https://www.homedepot.com/b/Bath-Bidets-Handheld-Bidets/N-5y...

                                                                                                                                                                                                            These deliver 90% of the benefits for under 10% of the cost, and less maintenance. It’s like a small metal garden hose with gun shaped valve at the end, you attach between the wall spigot and hose to the toilet with an adjustable wrench. Takes maybe 10 mins.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Would never go back to the dirty butt lifestyle. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            • alwa 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                              There definitely exist full-featured models that replace only the seat of the toilet—a 5-minute, highly reversible effort well within the capabilities of even the most nervous renter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              The water hose stacks inline with your existing supply at the point where it enters the toilet basin—a simple unscrew-and-rescrew operation on the order of attaching a garden hose. If the seat and water are heated (vigorously recommend!), the extension cord plugs into your existing shaver outlet / GFCI.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I’m familiar with Brondell as a non-Toto option, and I’m sure there are others!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Power outlets are not allowed near water basins here and so are not installed into the wall near the toilet. Most often there’s only one outlet near the sink with a circuit breaker on an opposite wall.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Heated is not necessary in California and more complexity means more likely to break, so YMMV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                • simfree 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You certainly can put a GFCI outlet adjacent a toilet, sink or in any other wet space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Please don't spread electrical code myths.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • kelnos 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A little confused; unless your sentence about California is unrelated to your first paragraph, that doesn't make sense. I live in California and I have outlets near my bathroom sinks, but there are no circuit breakers in the room. (The outlets are GFCI.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've definitely seen homes here with outlets near the toilet as well, with no extra safety devices beyond GFCI.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (And a quick search suggests that building code requires an outlet within 3 feet of every wash basin.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you are not talking about California, then... bummer; that level of restriction seems entirely unnecessary for safety.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • jki275 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As already posted, GFCIs are required, they cost ten bucks and take about five minutes to install.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • smegma2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Use an extension cord? That’s what I do
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • jfim 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They're totally installable in a rental, takes about half an hour to install the first time, and about ten minutes to remove when you move out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The only thing is that one will typically need to run an extension cord to reach the toilet, but typically apartment bathrooms are pretty small anyway so it's not a particularly long extension cord.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Right, just buy a thousand dollar Toto and run an extension cord across your bathroom! Install it and oh, find a place to store the existing toilet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • jfim 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The seats are like $349 at the local Costco. It doesn't involve removing the toilet, just replacing the seat (two hand tightened nuts) and adding a T connector to the cold water line so that both the toilet and seat have water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            None of those things are permanent and can be done by a single person with minimal knowledge and some common hand tools.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • ghaff 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I wouldn't run an extension cord but there are absolutely Toto washlets that just replace the existing seat. IMO, absolutely the better answer as there things probably can break in ways that a regular toilet won't.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The washlet only replaces the bowl lid, which is very easy to remove/replace.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sohcahtoa82 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How do you use something like that without making a mess splashing water everywhere? My toilet has a round seat which seems a bit small to use something like that. I'd have to get up and hover my butt over the toilet to use a handheld bidet like that, and I just imagine it splashing everywhere.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • mixmastamyk 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not really. Scoot/lean forward, keep the angle low, start with the water pressure weak and then gradually increase it. Was awkward for a day or two, then I was a pro. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Try from a store with a return policy I guess.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • kelnos 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  > These are neat, but not an option for those in rentals/apartments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In the last place I rented, I bought and installed a Toto Washelet seat. When I moved out, I removed it and replaced the original seat. Same unit is now in a bathroom in the house I own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The seat replacements aren't as integrated as the entire-bowl replacements, but they come pretty close.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • anymouse123456 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Installed a pair of these in our renovation from 2018.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Would never go back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seat warmers, auto open, night light and auto flush are features no one seems to talk about but these are as incredible as the washlet itself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • dvh 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I read "Japanese toilet", what is the name of the toilet that is in the ground, that long oval shape with bump in front (or back?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Update: "washiki" is the name

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • decimalenough 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Washiki 和式 means "Japanese style" and can refer to Japanese rooms (tatami), old-school Japanese toilets (squatting), etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The term for bidet/Toto style toilets in Japan is washlet (ワッシュレット).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • jogu 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Washiki literally means “Japanese style” and can be used in other contexts but, in general conversation has come to mean “Japanese style toilet”.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • dvh 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes but it is fundamentally different what article pictures as "japanese toilet", so the article is about "japanese western toilet" not "japanese squating toilet".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • makeitdouble 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What would you picture if you were told "american car" ? Does it need to be a single universal thing ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Otherwise, "Washiki toilet" is a term of art, and will not point to washlets. It will be the official designation in Japan as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • bamboozled 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Have you ever used one ? I actually think they are awesome. My dream in life is a washiki with a bidet function.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Why do you like them? Most Japanese do not. I find them gross. I had to use one recently in Osaka waiting for the Shinkansen at Shin Osaka Station. They require much better aim than a western bowl. They'd be horrible for diarrhea. Your poop just sits there in the open air and steams until you flush it, much more stinky than underwater.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • jjani 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I also don't prefer them, but a clear benefit is the squatting pose being a lot healthier than the standard sitting on a Western toilet. Somewhat fixable by a squatty potty, but those aren't in public restrooms.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • magicbuzz 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "In current models, the water spray is kept at a precise 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit" - so actually 38 Celsius because that's the temperature scale that Japan (and almost everywhere else) use.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • jwr 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            These are so good. After you've lived in Japan for a while you go back to (pretty much any) Western country and feel like going back to the middle ages. It feels outright barbaric not to have this level of hygiene.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I guess it's like going to a place which doesn't use toilet paper?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • kelnos 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have Toto bidets installed at home (in the US)... was visiting Japan for a couple weeks last month and was overjoyed (not exaggerating) to see bidets in pretty much every bathroom, even in low-end bars and restaurants. I think I remember exactly one toilet I used that didn't have a bidet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Then I come back home and go out and about and am disappointed when even nice restaurants don't have them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • m463 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Japan also doesn't have trash cans and therefore no paper towels in bathrooms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I asked and it seems to go back to the sarin gas attacks in the subway years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mistletoe 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A bidet is one of the largest increases in quality of life from a product I have ever experienced. My brother got one first and then it spread like wildfire across our family. I've never met anyone that actually uses one that goes back. I hope it takes over the whole world.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • m3kw9 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I used one and find it disgusting
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Tadpole9181 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What do you use instead?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • zrobotics 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        /s OP is bringing back the sinister hand...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • m3kw9 1 month ago
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • ambyra 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I’m surprised these never took off in Mexico. Water is cheaper than toilet paper, and you don’t have a basket of used toilet paper in the bathroom.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • dpassens 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why not just flush the toilet paper?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • blargthorwars 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Much of the world is like this. Even in some advanced places, so I'm always on the lookout for the tp trash can to make sure I'm not going to damage their pipes by flushing when I visit a new area.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • tormeh 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Greece is also like this. I think it’s wild. It’d be okay if they had bidets, but they don’t.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • seanmcdirmid 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In China at least, toilet paper wasn’t soluable for a long time and sewer plumbing wasn’t up to standard, so you used the waste basket for your TP. You would also bring your own TP to public bathrooms and they had no idea if your TP was soluable or not (lots of cheaper kinds aren’t). These days, toilet paper is universally soluable and plumbing is much better, you can totally flush it (and I always do when I’m there) but so many people grew up being told not to that they still have and use waste baskets.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • abletonlive 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              they lack the plumbing architecture for this.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • m463 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I kind of wonder what happens if not-drinkable water is used for cleaning your membranes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • righthand 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Americans don’t understand this because our national tv ads are for toilet paper. There’s even a social contention built in about the “quality of tp”. Let me tell you, if you spray your asshole first, the quality of the tp does not really matter.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • lannisterstark 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  >if you spray your asshole first, the quality of the tp does not really matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Great, go rub a TP that feels like sand paper on your anus even to dry it off then. See how it goes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (Quality of TP still matters, even for usage as minor wipes/tissue paper etc)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • righthand 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I do. I use 2-ply and 3 squares at most. No issues here; sorry there's a tp tube up your ass about tp quality. Tip: don't "rub" it dry, that's bound to cause unpleasant friction.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • lannisterstark 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      >sorry there's a tp tube up your ass about tp quality

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hm, unsure why the hostility there. My quip wasn't nearly this hostile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      >I use 2-ply and 3 squares at most.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, that's not bad quality TP lol, and not what I was talking about. You ever seen TP in universities/restrooms for supermarkets etc? That's what I am talking about. Further, you ignored the points about using toilet paper as tissue paper, which is what a lot of people in bathrooms also do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Was in Japan during covid. Was happy that I used very little TP because of my washlet when I saw the shortages and horrding in the USA.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • otherayden 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    https://unbloq.us/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/busines...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Via a tool that I made to auto-redirect to archived links :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • layer8 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      By the way, it would be useful if https://unbloq.us/www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/business/toto-t... worked as well, for manual use (just typing “unbloq.us/”).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • otherayden 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fixed! You can now throw urls with or without the protocol (protocol is the "http(s)://" part of the URL) and it will work!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • layer8 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • AStonesThrow 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The protocol or scheme is the "http" or "https" keyword. The colon is a separator. The "//" introduces the "authority component" or host.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL#Syntax

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Whatever the user is "throwing at you" if it doesn't have these things in the front, it is not a "URL". It is not even a "protocol-relative URL".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • otherayden 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you for the feedback, I will fix this!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • bmacho 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • otherayden 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL I spent a whole day building a web scraper to bypass archive.today’s firewall and and… I could just be redirecting people to this link
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • bmacho 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                > I could just be redirecting people to this link

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What's the point of that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                > I spent a whole day building a web scraper to bypass archive.today’s firewall

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Meanwhile archive.* refuse to serve the totally human me who makes at most 1 legitimate request a day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Lio 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I haven’t seen anyone else discuss this and I don’t know the answer but…

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Do water jets like this not spread worms and other intestinal parasites? I’d be especially worried about hand held jets in public restrooms and hotel bathrooms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Does anyone have any hard information on that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • cloud-ranger 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well this is unexpected. Japanese toilets aside and the comments regarding which countries people have seen them in, and the hand bidet sprayers and their usage, as I understand:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                - In Islam, Muslims must pray 5 times a day, but you must have 'Wudhu' which means you need to have performed the ritual wash before praying. You have to do it again if you've gone to the toilet. * When you go to the toilet, you must, as a requirement use water * So, most Muslim household bathrooms or public bathrooms in Muslim countries have a hand sprayer or at a minimum, a water container to fill.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I worked in Dubai and Saudi before, and apartments come with hand bidet sprayers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Regarding Singapore, I wouldn't be surprised if this was influenced by Malaysia (a Muslim country, but they were part of the same country before) although when visited Malaysia I can't remember (ok they probably did) have a similar arrangement. I remember my Chinese friend telling me that her dad went to a Muslim school (a Malay school), so he pretty much uses water like Muslims do (when they go to the bathroom).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Regarding the deadly hand sprayers (pressure wise), usually in modern Mid East apartments: - They are connected to a tap so you can control the pressure - those bathrooms usually have toilet paper too, so you wet the paper to clean first, then you can direct the water on to your hand whilst you clean yourself with your left hand, finally dry with toilet paper. Final step of course, wash your hands! Hence why Muslims only eat or shake someone's right hand, knowing the left hand is on toilet duty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've been in corporate bathrooms in the UK, in a cubical, and you hear someone enter, pee (or even more) and exit without washing their hands!!! Not only once either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The bottom line is, use water. No one can argue it's better to use paper. Some folks dislike of things from the Middle East lead them to argue toilet paper is enough. It isn't. (-_-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Side note: If you're ever in Dubai and visit one of their big malls, like Dubai Mall, you'll question where the 1st and 3rd worlds are. Clean and maintained luxury rest rooms, you'll be happy to relive yourself in such restrooms, rather than dread using the toilet if you're outside. And they have good baby changing facilities too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • billfor 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's great for your master bathroom. I wouldn't put them in a guest bathroom because over time the wand accumulates poo - might be unsanitary after a while. I clean mine every couple of weeks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • mhb 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Do you have guests who don't appreciate your cleaning the bathroom they use?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • kelnos 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Assuming you clean the guest bathroom after a guest leaves (or at least before a new guest arrives), you can simply add the bidet wand to your list of items to clean, no?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • FartinMowler 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Be sure to clean the ceiling too if said guest was a bum gun noob.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • bamboozled 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I use them everywhere I go. Ive not had any negative effects from doing that. Nor does the wand in our house have poop on it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would honestly prefer to be exposed to germs rather than go the whole day with poo wedged in my ass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • m3kw9 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Try to wipe your butt with toilet paper?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • KPGv2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            as discussed everywhere here, toilet paper is an often ineffective way to get poop off your butt
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • amelius 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe turn the pressure a little higher in the guest bathroom.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The wand has a self-cleaning mode?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • maxglute 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bidets will definitely spoil you. I try to avoid shitting in public now, and travel is annoying. Ass does not feel clean unless I leavec the stall moist. Not quite at travel bidet yet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • beloch 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              One thing they typically don't tell you about Japan is that not all of their toilets spray warm water. When you press that button, brace yourself for all possibilities.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Unsurprising. Took too long. Toto Washlets are incredible and very easy to use. They are very Tesla-like (before politics got in the way): you want one the minute you use one.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • wtcactus 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Southern Europe (although these days I reckon it only has wide usage in the north of Portugal and Italy from my travels) we use the low tech version of this: a bidet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  While searching for a house to rent (and buy), that is always one of the criteria (in Lisbon - center of Portugal - they are not that common anymore).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It just seems so weird and unclean not to be able to wash ourselves after using the bathroom. I guess it's a cultural thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Arisaka1 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As someone who has been dealing with flared hemorrhoids since I was a teenager, I improvised my post-2 work by simply washing with the shower pistol whose cord is long enough to reach behind me while I'm sitting on the toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Since then, whenever I search for a new apartment to rent, this became one of the criteria I look for! I simply can't go back to just dry wiping, ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • bmacho 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      > I improvised my post-2 work by simply washing with the shower pistol whose cord is long enough to reach behind me while I'm sitting on the toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      > Since then, whenever I search for a new apartment to rent, this became one of the criteria I look for! I simply can't go back to just dry wiping, ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If the cord is not long enough you can step in the shower/bathtub (if you are abled ofc) to wash yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • NalNezumi 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As someone who had hemorrhoids since teenager (got it removed during a surgery), I'd recommend a portable bidet. Game changer. Can now comfortably do Nr2 even at my dad's summer place with old toilet, or any public toilet. They're often very cheap too (bought mine for <10$ in Japan) and last long enough
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • bodeadly 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I use the bemis bidet adapter. It's $50 US on amzn and requires no power (splices into the feed). Only wish the knob would spring back to the off position. Was going to give it to my parent with dementia but because it does not auto-off, I ended up using it myself. Great item. There are many other similar ones but I can only speak to the bemis one.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • i2oc 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I’m a happy bidet owner who retrofitted one. The biggest challenge was understanding local regulations and product design when it came to backflow prevention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=141&topicid=27...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Pooge 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What's a good and cheap way of installing one at home?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In my country I think you can't easily plug into the water source.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • m3kw9 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What if you spray diarrhea on the sprayer and that person doesn’t use it, the next person gets it up their azz
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • cdelsolar 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                the sprayer is hidden away unless you press a button to extend it
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • nunez 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And they run a self-clean cycle when you sit down during which the wand shoots the water downwards.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • bgnn 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A lot of European brands (Villeroy & Boch, Geberit, Duravit etc) have Japanese style toilets for a while now, albeit often with less buttons and functions. It's getting more common in Northern Europe.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • mhb 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's a bit surprising that every health care facility doesn't have these to make things easier on both the patients and caregivers. But money and maintenance (also money) I guess.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • bowsamic 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I’m a little concerned by the number of people here who seem to think it is totally normal to need to wipe a lot after going to the toilet. Is that a feature of the American diet?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sohcahtoa82 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I usually gotta wipe like 10 times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On the Bristol stool chart, they look like type 4, which is supposed to be normal, but they make a terrible mess on the way out, and often don't exit completely. I can sit and push for however long I want, but eventually I have to pinch it off. And then I've got a huge mess that needs 10+ wipes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • socalgal2 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Lucky you. Given the sprayer is almost universal all over much of Asia, the middle east, and apparenrtly Finland I'd say must be common for many people not to have non-messy poo 100% of the time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • bowsamic 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I’d expect more like 80% non messy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • ksec 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Reminds me the phrase the "Future is already here, it is just not evenly distributed."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Lots of people take it for granted. But in many places outside of East Asia. They are not given.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • ExoticPearTree 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have to say that once you get used to all the comforts a Japanese toilet brings (washer, heated seat, blower) it is very hard to go back to a traditional toilet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • YVoyiatzis 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The least one can do is adapt to using a bidet on a daily basis.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • fabiofzero 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Only North-Americans have trouble with the concept that water is the best way to wash yourself after doing your business. Y'all seriously need to grow up.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • speed_spread 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Uh, Water? I use Brawndo, it's got electrolytes!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • latentsea 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Plants crave electrolytes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • AngryData 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't really much of a difference unless you have unhealthy messy shits all the time. Spraying your ass with water doesn't make it sanitary, so at the end of the day it is merely personal preference.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • jetik 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I discovered bidet in Italy, never want to go back to TP. (If all Asians switched to TP, how many trees would still stand?)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • xchip 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Using "The rise of <product>" often serves as a subtle form of advertising.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd recommend ignoring these infomercials.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • bamboozled 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I never feel clean after the business. I’ve always wondered if it’s my physiology or diet. Something wrong with me ? I’ve meant to try find out but it’s not something people like to talk about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just don’t understand how people like to walk around with even a small amount of poop wedged in their crack, irritating the area and coming into contact with their underwear, pants, it’s absolutely disgusting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I got “stuck” in Asia during COVID for 3 years, when I returned back to my home country (zero bidet society) I forgot all about the lack of bidets as it was just common place. When I went to cleanup I never forget the horror and I had a sinking feeling, as if I was ejected from civilization or something.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • PinkMilkshake 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have IBS. Sometimes the consistency is like mud/tar. It's completely impossible to get clean without moisture. After a trip to Japan, I swore that if I ever manage to own my own home, I will install a Japanese toilet. I started to wonder how we in the west have accepted for so long that abrading skin with dry paper is cleaning.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • holysantamaria 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There are cheaper solutions than japanese toilet, bidet or handhelds - using a bottle of water, you just need a good capacity, and need to refill before or after the deed. Aim at your anus and stretch your asscheeks with your other hand and do circle and robbing on your skin while emptying the water with the hand holding the bottle. It is a bit technical the first time, a bit disgusting but fecal mater is 100% washable so your hands and anus will be all clean and your anus will thank you for the rest of the day. But you need enough capacity for the water. You can also use soap and do two round while emptying each halves of the bottle. First round remove all fecal, then soap (use a gentle soap!) then empty the remaining of the bottle. You don’t really need soap though because the results with water only is already infinitely better than with toilet paper. You can use the toilet paper to dry your skin or use a small toilet exclusively allocated for this usage - if you are home take a brief cat shower and aim exclusively the anus. A bit more cumbersome because you need to remove your clothes and shoes if you wear them
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • nntwozz 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I live off-grid in the deep woods of Sweden with no neighbors; I heat my 125 year old timber house with firewood.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            For two decades I lived in a fancy flat with all the amenities in a large city.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now I do it in two 100L plastic barrels in my stables that also have an outhouse, each barrel corresponds to one of my needs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I neutralize number 1 with Corega tabs in the warmer months, I neutralize number 2 with a scoop of peat or sawdust.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also wash myself (in number 1) after number 2 using soap and a 10L-bidon with a shower hose attachment that I carry with me like a briefcase from the house during the colder months.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The barrels are emptied regularly in a hole in the woods, in summer the dung beetles take care of everything. There's virtually no smell, actually less than in a modern bathroom with mechanical ventilation. It's always drafty in the outhouse and I usually leave the door open anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can wax poetic about sitting in the outhouse on a sunny day with the door open watching the blue sky and hearing the wind in the trees with the birds chirping vis-à-vis doing it a concrete box surrounded by high-tech plumbing and equipment, but ironically it just feels better not having any nastiness inside or anywhere near the house I sleep and eat in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just think about that for a second.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've been to Japan and I actually prefer my way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think technical (smart?) toilets are nasty, nasty to clean and even nastier to repair if they break.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Less is more, if given the choice I'd much prefer a simple (dumb?) toilet with a shower hose next to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is pretty common in most bathrooms in Sweden.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            P.S.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Rimfree toilets are the shit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • elephant3761 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I wonder if there is a way to do this with a regular composting toilet. The type that has a separate pee compartment in the bowl to separate liquids from "dry" material. I'd imagine it's quite hard to aim during the washing process and getting the solids wet defeats the purpose of a composting toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love my bidet and usually carry a travel bidet. For campervan camping I looked at composting toilets but this one problem has ruled them out for me so far.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • darknavi 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Shitting in a hole in the ground in the middle of nature is serene but also doesn't scale to population density.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • zevon 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not "in the ground" in the strict sense, but I'm pretty sure that composting toilets would scale to population density. Same basic idea as shitting in a hole (and probably more useful than water-based toilets).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • mertd 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • darknavi 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Squat toilets aren't really the same thing as an outdoor toilet in the middle of the woods.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • tolerance 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                DIY Alternatives

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                - Plant watering containers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                - Condiment squeezers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And in a pinch I've seen...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                - Dish soap bottles...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • keepamovin 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know the Japanese refined this (as they do so many things such as — no offense to Italians — pizza and pasta; I think the Japanese often do it really well), but I always thought this was a French/European thing and not really what you call a Japanese toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I’m certain the Japanese couldn’t be the first to find ways to heat seats or provide different settings for washing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • abc03 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Indeed Geberit invented it and Toto marketed it. I have to say quite well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • MarkusWandel 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Slightly dissenting opinion on these Toto wondertoilets, or at least retrofit toilet seats for western toilets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I got one at a garage sale for $20. Hooked it up and tried it. Quite a marvel of features. Remote control (with config LCD menu on the back), heated seat, 2D aimable spray with separate male/female settings, warm water reservoir and what all. Every single feature worked, but:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It dripped water. I caught all that with a container and a towel while experimenting. Then removed it again and hunted for the drip, only to find that this is simply not built to western plumbing standards. The water inlet is just a friction-fit plug with an O-ring gasket, held in by a clip. Plastic on plastic. I replaced the O-ring with a new one, tried again... only for some other degraded o-ring inside to have been jarred loose in the process and water now leaking from somewhere inside.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Service manual? Spare parts? Nada. You can, however (from the US at least - I'm in Canada) ship this back to Toto and they'll recondition it to new for a reasonable flat rate fee. That's the only repair option.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    After which it would probably not leak. But friction fit plastic-on-o-ring is fine for toilet environments that are tiled, "wet" areas with a floor drain. Mine, however, is upstairs straddling the kitchen/family room boundary in a house built out of sticks and drywall. Major leaks are simply no go. Would I leave something like this pressurized, hoping only that some friction fit o-ring-on-plastic interface is not going to start leaking unexpectedly? Nope. The same thing equally applies to the new ones, which are about $600 at Costco, or were at the time I looked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So the "experimental" toilet moved on to another tinkerer friend who, maybe, will replace all the o-rings or have Toto fix it some day. I'm a gadgeteer, so I thought I could make a solenoid valve box to go in series with the thing's inlet, whereby you push a button and the wondertoilet gets water pressure for the next 5 minutes, after which it times out and turns off again. Just to remove the "come home to unexpected flood damage" factor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Aside from that... "testing" of course under real world conditions. But... a nice warm water spray after the #2 business... shall we say does ... smell a bit. And didn't quite get things to the point where no toilet paper was needed afterward, nevermind the heated blow dry (which this thing also had). I'll stick to western toilets.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • jbverschoor 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        25+ later
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Rendello 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've used less advanced versions for a few years. The quality varies; the most recent one we put in is pretty horrible to use (but better than nothing). I've always wanted to try a real Toto, especially with the drying feature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A word of warning for female users:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          > Habitual use of bidet toilets aggravates vaginal microflora, either by depriving normal microflora or facilitating opportunistic infection of fecal bacteria and other microorganisms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21058441/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • rendaw 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From https://japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/are-bidet...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > Over washing the anus risks removing the sebum, which lubricates the surface. There have been reports of problems caused by over drying of peripheral areas

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > This leaves the body vulnerable to dermatitis and possibly invasion of staphylococcus aureus bacteria.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8553346/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > Outbreaks of resistant bacteria have been reported to be due to the contamination of the cleaning nozzles of bidet toilets in hospitals

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I.e. the nozzles do get contaminated and if body isn't able to fend off the contamination bidet use can cause infection.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-670...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > Of the 292 [hospital] toilet seats sampled, warm-water nozzles of 254 (86.9%) were found to be contaminated by one or more of the following organisms

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not convinced this is actual sanitation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Edit: I should say, I know due to physical and diet circumstances taking a shit might leave you with more or less of a mess that could be uncomfortable or inconvenient - but I don't think unqualified praise for bidet use, suggesting bidets as a superior lifestyle choice, etc is good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • ethanol-brain 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Seems like some of those problems could be partially addressed. Such as a retractable metal nozzle that is sanitized with heat or steam after use, not using warm water, reducing spray velocity, adjusting angle of spray, limiting spray time and throttling subsequent sprays, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Rendello 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Interesting. I've never been a fan of the warm-water ones myself. I wonder how it compares to (only using) toilet paper with regards to dermatitis, I find that toilet paper can really cause issues sometimes and bidets are more helpful in that regard.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • wintermutestwin 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                >I've always wanted to try a real Toto, especially with the drying feature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Drying was one of the features that I wished I hadn't paid extra for. It is a trickle of air and would take way too long to get you dry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Matheus28 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The drying is awful in my Toto, it's not enough air pressure. It'd take 20+ min to dry completely. It's nothing like those hand dryers in public bathrooms.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Rendello 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe Toto and Dyson should collaborate!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That commercial would be more effective if it used Nutella and shag carpeting.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • jpease 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you get feces on your hands, a few wipes with paper towel is good enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why do we need something fancier for a toilet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • DrawTR 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I sure hope a few wipes with a paper towel is not good enough for most people who get feces on their hands
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • decimalenough 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No water at all? You realize you're straight up eating your own shit when you have a sandwich afterwards, right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • jpease 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would’ve expected better sarcasm detection from this audience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But, since jokes are best explained:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The opening assertion is one that mimics the toilet hygiene practices of many, but recasts it in a scenario that the reader is likely to find repugnant and evoke a reaction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The second statement draws the reader’s attention back to the topic at hand, with that fresh strong feeling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The reader may then make the connection that if “a few wipes with paper towel” is not good enough in scenario A, then the argument is that it is not enough in scenario B.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Others would downvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • sublinear 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think paper is perfectly fine for most people who do not have certain medical problems, given a few prerequisites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The main one is diet. Eat enough fiber so it's not a mess in the first place. This has many other benefits too. The next in priority is wet wipes. I strongly prefer them, and they are portable unlike a bidet. They are super useful while away from the toilet as well. After that there's technique. I am confident that the people who complain about paper and wet wipes are simply wiping way too hard causing chafing or even fissures. I don't want to get too graphic, but you also need to "relax" a bit down there for the most thorough job instead of just a surface level wipe. Normal paper first for removal of the "bulk material" and wet wipes for the residue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's it folks! If you do all this right, washing your hands afterwards shouldn't need so much effort either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bonus tip: why not just carry a little atomizer bottle filled with water so you can make your own wet wipes in a pinch? The spray is gentle enough to not completely saturate and ruin even the thinnest and cheapest toilet paper you find in the wild, and such a spray bottle is again very useful away from the toilet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • exhilaration 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Those wet wipes shouldn't be flushed down the down the toilet, even if they're labeled "flushable", here's a nice PDF infographic from the city of Los Angeles explaining why: https://sanitation.lacity.gov/san/sandocview?docname=cnt0365...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • AngryData 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, if something comes wet in a package, it means it isn't going to dissolve in water, and at the end of the day is like flushing pieces of cloth down the toilet and will cause problems somewhere down the line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ass tons of people still do it though,and without legislation to prevent marketing it as fine, it is mostly municipal sewage, and thus everyone overall, that will pay for the additional maintenance caused by the few.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • sublinear 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's a good thing not everyone lives in LA.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • kwk1 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is a rather glib reply that doesn't address the substance of the post you're replying to.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • zrobotics 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Do they need to post sources for every possible municipality? Los Angeles is actually a very definitive source on them being bad for sanitation systems. LA is a pretty young city, they really don't have any terribly ancient sewage systems. There were apparently still wooden pipes in service in Philly in 2017 [0], probably there still are some in service right now. LA's oldest infrastructure could conceivably be from the 1860s, and realistically their oldest infrastructure would be from the 1910s. If their sanitation district advises against it, why would we expect older cities like NYC or Baltimore to fare better?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          [0] https://philly.curbed.com/2017/5/5/15545532/philadelphia-wat...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • jeffhuys 1 month ago
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So I’m of the same opinion minus the wet wipes due to the obvious hazards. But if your diet is fine, there’s literally only what they call “ghost poop”.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It’s baffling to me, really. Also, it’s your anus, 99.9999% clean is also ok.