iPhone 11 emulation done in QEMU

389 points by 71bw 3 weeks ago | 33 comments
  • gnabgib 3 weeks ago
    Discussion on upstream repo (356 points, 2022, 144 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30545425

    Related (mentions this repo): Emulating an iPhone in QEMU (268 points, 2 months ago, 64 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43592409

    • msgodel 3 weeks ago
      Looking at the issue tracker it sounds like they've made significant progress since then.
      • walterbell 3 weeks ago
        Progress update, https://eshard.com/posts/emulating-ios-14-with-qemu-part2

          iOS emulated in QEMU with:
        
          • Restore / Boot
          • Software rendering
          • Kernel and userspace debugging
          • Pairing with the host
          • Serial / SSH access
          • Multitouch
          • Network
          • Install and run any arbitrary IPA
        
        In other news, Cellebrite acquired Corellium iOS/Android virtualization for $170M, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44221982
        • bri3d 3 weeks ago
          The eShard thing and this GitHub are fairly different, as far as I know.

          The eShard people found an earlier version of this repository and set about patching one billion parts of the iOS kernel, library cache, and userland to make it run on the limited emulator.

          Meanwhile, the actual emulator has been advancing, arguably more quickly than the eShard patch set.

          The current set of patches needed for the latest commits on this repo to run iOS are less than 10 instructions, all to enable the software-rendering/framebuffer fallback code path instead of trying to use display drivers.

          https://github.com/ChefKissInc/QEMUAppleSilicon/wiki/Filesys...

          • throwaway48476 3 weeks ago
            Presumably to build a exploit test framework.
      • jeswin 3 weeks ago
        This is the ultimate emulation hack bar none - congrats to everyone involved. This also bodes well for the hackintosh project. It's may no longer be a dead end (though miles away), and eventually we might even see efficient emulation as ARM PCs become generally available.
        • storus 3 weeks ago
          ARM is not an open platform like IBM PC was. See Android phones and their custom Linux kernels with undocumented parts...
          • yencabulator 3 weeks ago
            "Ultimate" when it's barely emulating something that was released in 2019, discontinued in 2022, and the hardware vendor in question is likely to keep adding obstacles purely to mess with it?
          • msgodel 3 weeks ago
            Woah this sounds like it boots all the way to Springboard at least! That's pretty huge!
            • hiimwavy 3 weeks ago
              This is incredibly impressive—booting an iPhone 11 all the way to Springboard in QEMU is no small feat. Kudos to the ChefKissInc team and everyone who’s contributed to getting this far!
              • ewuhic 3 weeks ago
                Does it support trollstore with ability to decrypt IPAs?
                • mywittyname 3 weeks ago
                  For the ignorant: what does this mean?
                  • watusername 3 weeks ago
                    Just to expand a bit on the sibling comment, IPAs downloaded from the App Store are encrypted with a DRM scheme with a key tied to the Apple account. The binaries actually stay encrypted on-disk and the OS has facilities to transparently decrypt them when executed. The usual way of decrypting is to actually execute the app, attach a debugger (normally not possible for production apps) and read the decrypted code from memory.
                    • tom1337 3 weeks ago
                      trollstore is an inofficial app store for iOS devices which does not require a jailbreak. There are also apps that seem to decrypt the encrypted IPA (which is the file format of an iOS app) so you can view the decrypted app code and the resources. it's kinda the same as decompiling a android java app.
                    • skvmb 3 weeks ago
                      Came here to ask this very question. This would be killer if so!
                    • seany 3 weeks ago
                      Seems like the important part would be emulating the security crap so it can be understood and bypassed. Where is this with that set of things? (being able to run things like banking/DMV emulated would be the killer feature)
                      • xvilka 3 weeks ago
                        They should try to push it upstream, at least partially. Otherwise it's doomed to die like previous attempts.
                        • anthk 3 weeks ago
                          How does Qemu m68k work for Classic Mac BTW?
                        • dd_xplore 3 weeks ago
                          Is it emulating iOS? Or only running iOS binaries? Why does it specifically say iPhone 11?
                          • dadoum 3 weeks ago
                            It's emulating iPhone 11's hardware. It runs iOS 14 and sepOS (Apple Security Enclave's firmware) on top.
                            • worldsavior 3 weeks ago
                              Probably because it's iPhone 11 binaries.
                            • VMtest 3 weeks ago
                              There is still no proper documentation for using qemu on windows host, the options and arguments etc. We have to google and the info and ideas that are scattered across the internet, or referencing the Linux equivalents of it to come up with a solution
                              • Liquix 3 weeks ago
                                to be fair most folks playing around with qemu are probably running unix. windows has plenty of user friendly virtualization options (virtualbox, vmware, hyper-v), not to mention WSL. so windows users would probably only run qemu in hyperspecific cases like this
                                • VMtest 3 weeks ago
                                  nope, not fair, virtualbox for example doesn't use whpx on windows while it has kvm backend on linux now

                                  vmware is bloated, I prefer not to register an account to download it as well. hyper-v uses FreeRDP and that requires the guest distribution to support it AFAIK, so it's not a easy out-of-the-box solution

                                  and I do use qemu on linux, just at the surface level, with libvirt with virt-manager, it's easy to configure with the UI

                              • tifa2up 3 weeks ago
                                Noob question: can you install iOS apps using this?
                                • startyz 3 weeks ago
                                  cool it is my favorite model of iphones.
                                  • Minks 3 weeks ago
                                    What makes it your favourite model specifically? I can’t really notice a lot of differences between them and I’ve used multiple devices the last 3 years.