China Builds New Large Jet-Powered Ekranoplan

21 points by wood_spirit 1 week ago | 6 comments
  • avidiax 1 week ago
    My understanding is that ekranoplans aren't such a good idea except maybe for high speed short haul.

    If slow is ok, use a boat. If going further add more wing, fly higher and faster for less fuel.

    As other comments suggest, there is one particular high speed short haul route that could be the motivation.

    • jauntywundrkind 6 days ago
      (The Russian's were not but,) the Ekranoplan is hypothetically more efficient than boat or plane.

      Not being in the water radically decreases drag versus a boat, massively boosting efficiency.

      Compared to a plane, the wing-in-ground / ground effect radically boosts lift, which can be used to greatly increase efficiency. Takeoff is energy intense, but compared to climbing to 40,000 ft it's nothing.

      Reducing the need for fixed land infrastructure is another colossal perk.

      This article here didn't go into lots of details. But there's a lot of write-ups on DARPA's Liberty Lifter ekranoplan program, and efficiency is a key reason for the effort. As well as versatility. See also Boeing's Pelican ULTRA idea. https://www.twz.com/air/liberty-lifter-ekronoplan-demonstrat...https://hn.algolia.com/?q=liberty+Lifter

      Also see Regent craft, for a smaller electric hydro-foil lifted wing-in-ground ekranoplan style vehicle. https://www.regentcraft.com/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36051831

    • chiph 1 week ago
      How well do they perform in open ocean, where you would encounter larger waves than somewhere like the land-locked Caspian Sea?
      • ianburrell 1 week ago
        They don't do well in open ocean which is why only saw them in Caspian Sea. My understanding is that they need to fly a certain distance above the waves to keep from hitting them. When the waves are big, this pushes them close to ground effect limit.

        My guess is that they would be okay for confined seas like Mediterranean. Or uses where they didn't need to keep to schedule.

      • shmeeed 1 week ago
        1st reaction: Woohoo, a new Ekranoplan :D

        2nd reaction: Wait, what are they building it for? :(

        • metalman 1 week ago
          it is painted navy grey, not coast guard white.... the size is not truely gargantuan so it is probably just a test article, if the bow opens,then it is general purpose cargo, but ic could also be for very long range marine opps, survalence, keeping things edgy stuff